00:00:09 . GOOD MORNING EVERYONE
00:00:13 AND WELCOME TO OUR APRIL 6TH RULES COMMITTEE MEETING.
00:00:15 I AM YOUR CHAIR SUPERVISOR SHERMAN WALTON AND I'M JOINED
00:00:18 BY VICE CHAIR SUPERVISOR STEPHEN SHERO AS WELL AS
00:00:22 PRESIDENT RAFAEL MENDELSOHN. TODAY'S CLERK IS VICTOR YOUNG
00:00:28 AND I WANT TO THANK JAMIE ASHER VERY FROM S GOV T V FOR MAKING
00:00:32 SURE THIS MEETING IS PUBLICIZED AND AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
00:00:37 >> MR. CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS THIS MORNING?
00:00:40 YES. PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE TAKEN ON
00:00:41 EACH ITEM ON THIS AGENDA ITEM OF INTEREST COMES UP PLEASE
00:00:44 LINE UP TO SPEAK ON YOUR RIGHT. ALTERNATIVELY YOU MAY SUBMIT
00:00:48 PUBLIC COMMENT IN WRITING IN EITHER THE FOLLOWING WAYS
00:00:52 EMAIL THEM TO MYSELF THE RULES COMMITTEE CLERK AT THE EIC TO
00:00:56 YOUR DOT Y O U AND G AT S.F. COBALT IF YOU SMOOTH PUBLIC
00:01:00 COMMENT VIA EMAIL IT WILL BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE FILE.
00:01:04 ME ALSO SENIOR IN COMMUNICATION VIA US MAIL TO OUR OFFICE
00:01:07 IN CITY HALL WHEN DR. CARLTON BE GOOD AT FACE ROOM TWO FOR
00:01:11 FOR SAN FRANCISCO CALIFORNIA 941023 MAKE SURE TO SEND OUR
00:01:14 CELL PHONE TO ELECTRONIC DEVICES I.
00:01:18 ACCESS POINTS THEY ARE EXPECTED TO APPEAR ON THE BOARD OF
00:01:22 SUPERVISORS AGENDA OF APRIL 14TH UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED
00:01:25 THAT COMPLETES MY INITIAL ANNOUNCEMENTS.
00:01:28 THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. CLERK AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE
00:01:29 PUBLIC AND LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT WE WILL ALLOW PUBLIC
00:01:33 COMMENT FOR ONE MINUTE SO WE CAN MAINTAIN CORM AND MAKE SURE
00:01:38 THAT WE HAVE EVERYBODY HERE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC TODAY SO
00:01:40 PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY WILL BE ONE MINUTE FOR EACH ITEM.
00:01:43 WITH THAT MR. CLERK PLEASE CALL ITEM NUMBER ONE.
00:01:48 ITEM NUMBER ONE IS THE MOTION APPROVING REJECTING THE
00:01:50 PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS RAFAEL MENEM INTO
00:01:53 NOMINATION FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF LILY WONG TO THE BOARD OF
00:01:57 APPEALS FOR A TERM ENDING JULY 1ST, 2028.
00:01:59 >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT. MADAM.
00:02:03 THANK YOU CHAIR WALTON FOR CONSIDERING THIS AND SUPERVISOR
00:02:07 CHERYL FOR CONSIDERING THIS NOMINATION.
00:02:11 I'VE KNOWN LILY FOR SOME TIME. THERE'S A LOT OF TALK IN THE
00:02:15 CITY THESE DAYS ABOUT THE TENSIONS BETWEEN THE EAST SIDE
00:02:18 AND THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY. I THINK LILY IS SOMEONE WHO
00:02:22 ACTUALLY BRIDGES THAT GAP PRETTY NICELY, LIVES
00:02:23 IN DISTRICT NINE, WORKS ON THE WEST SIDE, HAS EXTENSIVE
00:02:26 BACKGROUND WORKING IN THE COMMUNITY AS DIRECTOR OF THE
00:02:34 SUNSET CHINESE CULTURAL DISTRICT AND DIRECTOR OF
00:02:35 COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AT THE WAMI SCHOOL.
00:02:38 SHE HAS EXPERIENCE IN LAND USE AND I THINK WILL BRING BOTH
00:02:46 EXPERTISE TO THIS POSITION AS WELL AS A BACKGROUND IN AND
00:02:50 WORKING WITH AND HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY WHICH I THINK IS
00:02:54 ACTUALLY PRETTY IMPORTANT FOR ESPECIALLY THE BOARD OF
00:02:57 SUPERVISORS APPOINTMENTS TO BODIES LIKE THE BOARD OF
00:02:59 APPEALS. SO I THINK SHE'LL BE GREAT
00:03:01 WHICH IS WHY I. NOMINATING HER AND I HOPE YOU
00:03:05 ALL WILL AGREE. >> THANK YOU PRESIDENT MADAM
00:03:09 AND I KNOW MISS WONG IS HERE SO WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU
00:03:11 AND JUST TELL US WHY YOU WANT TO SERVE.
00:03:14 >> THANK YOU. SURE.
00:03:17 LOU. I ALMOST FEEL LIKE I DON'T NEED
00:03:21 TO SAY ANYTHING SINCE PRESIDENT.
00:03:21 MANAGEMENT HAS SAID SUCH NICE THINGS BUT GOOD MORNING
00:03:24 SUPERVISORS. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING MY
00:03:28 APPLICATION AND THANK YOU PRESIDENT MANAGEMENT FOR YOUR
00:03:29 TRUST AND CONFIDENCE IN ME IN THIS ROLE I'D ALSO LIKE TO
00:03:33 RECOGNIZE PRESIDENT HASINA AS WELL AS DIRECTOR LAMAR IN THE
00:03:36 ROOM TODAY. MY NAME IS LILY AND I AM A
00:03:40 LIFELONG SAN FRANCISCAN. MY FAMILY IMMIGRATED TO SAN
00:03:44 FRANCISCO WHEN I WAS TWO YEARS OLD AND I GREW UP IN THE
00:03:47 MISSION DISTRICT. MY FAMILY SOUGHT COMMUNITY
00:03:51 SERVICES IN CHINATOWN AND I'M A PROUD SAN FRANCISCO UNIFIED
00:03:55 SCHOOL DISTRICT GRADUATE AND I'VE HAD THE FORTUNE TO BE
00:03:58 EDUCATED WORK AND LIVE IN SAN FRANCISCO'S IN NEIGHBORHOODS
00:04:02 IN SAN FRANCISCO, ALL OVER SAN FRANCISCO.
00:04:06 >> THESE EXPERIENCE HAVE GIVEN ME A NUANCED UNDERSTANDING OF
00:04:10 THE DIVERSITY AS WELL AS THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE IN SAN
00:04:13 FRANCISCO. I REMAINED IN THE CITY FOR THE
00:04:17 MAJORITY OF MY LIFE BECAUSE I TRULY LOVE THIS CITY.
00:04:18 THIS IS A CITY THAT WELCOMED MY FAMILY AND HELPED ME BECOME THE
00:04:22 PERSON I AM TODAY. I LEARNED ENGLISH FROM STRONG
00:04:25 BLACK WOMEN AT RAFAEL WELL I DEVELOPED VIEWS OF JUSTICE
00:04:29 THROUGH CITYWIDE ORGANIZING IN THE 1990S AND I CAME BACK
00:04:33 AFTER ACHIEVING MY DEGREES INTENTIONALLY TO CREATE.
00:04:39 TO WORK IN SPACES TO PROVIDE VOICES FOR THE MARGINALIZED
00:04:43 AND OVERLOOKED PEOPLE OF THIS CITY.
00:04:46 LEADING UP TO THIS HEARING I HAD THE PLEASURE OF SPEAKING TO
00:04:48 FORMER AND CURRENT BOARD OF APPEALS MEMBERS AND I'VE
00:04:51 LEARNED OF THEIR IMPRESSIVE BACKGROUNDS AND GOT ADVICE FROM
00:04:55 THEIR EXPERIENCE ON THIS BOARD FROM THESE CONVERSATIONS I ALSO
00:04:59 SAW WHAT I COULD BRING IN AS VALUE ADDED TO THIS BOARD.
00:05:02 WHAT I CAN BRING IS A PERSPECTIVE OF A COMMUNITY
00:05:07 ADVOCATE AND EXPERIENCE I'VE HAD LIVING AND WORKING
00:05:09 IN NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT SAN FRANCISCO.
00:05:13 I HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE IN ALTERNATIVE DISPUTE
00:05:14 RESOLUTION FROM PEPPERDINE LAW SCHOOL AND I SOUGHT THIS DEGREE
00:05:17 PURPOSELY TO LEARN HOW TO SOLVE PROBLEMS BEFORE IT REACHED THE
00:05:21 STAGE OF LITIGATION. AND I TRULY ENJOYED MY TIME
00:05:25 MEDIATING IN THE LOS ANGELES COURT SYSTEM AS PART OF THIS
00:05:28 EXPERIENCE I AM COMMITTED TO LISTENING AND UNDERSTANDING
00:05:32 WHERE THE COMMUNITY IS COMING FROM AND GIVING FOLKS A FAIR
00:05:33 CHANCE. AS AN ORGANIZER I KNOW THE
00:05:37 IMPORTANCE OF FIGHTING FOR WHAT IS RIGHT DESPITE THE ODDS.
00:05:40 AS AN IMMIGRANT I UNDERSTAND MORE CULTURALLY SENSITIVE
00:05:43 NUANCES BETWEEN WHAT PEOPLE SAY AND WHAT PEOPLE DON'T SAY.
00:05:47 AND AS A PERSON I'M COMMITTED TO DOING MY VERY BEST IN THIS
00:05:51 ROLE. BEFORE I WRAP UP, I ALSO WANT
00:05:52 TO ACKNOWLEDGE MY FRIENDS, COLLEAGUES, COMMUNITY
00:05:56 AND ESPECIALLY MY FAMILY. I WOULDN'T BE THE PERSON I AM
00:05:59 WITHOUT THEIR SUPPORT AND THEIR CHALLENGING ME.
00:06:03 THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO I LOOK TO WHO HAVE AND WHO LOOK
00:06:07 TO TO CONTINUE TO HOLD ME HONEST AND ACCOUNTABLE IN THIS
00:06:10 POSITION I'M OPEN TO HEARING ARE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY
00:06:15 HAVE FOR ME. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I
00:06:18 DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COLLEAGUES.
00:06:22 SO MR. CLERK, LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM
00:06:25 AND BEFORE WE DO THAT I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE ARE ALSO
00:06:27 JOINED BY SUPERVISOR DANNY SAADAT THIS MORNING.
00:06:33 YES, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
00:06:35 SHE LINE UP TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME EACH SPEAKER WILL BE
00:06:39 ALLOWED ONE MINUTE. ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE
00:06:40 PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
00:06:46 GOOD MORNING. I'M JOHN SWEENEY.
00:06:48 I'M PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF APPEALS AND I JUST WANT TO
00:06:49 EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO PRESIDENT MANAGEMENT AND TO
00:06:52 YOU, CHAIRMAN, FOR HOLDING THIS HEARING AND BEING ABLE TO MOVE
00:06:56 THIS PROCESS FORWARD SO MS. ONE CAN CAN JOIN THE BOARD OF
00:07:00 APPEALS IN ADDITION TO HER GENERALLY BEING A PROUD PRODUCT
00:07:04 OF OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS. SHE'S A GRADUATE OF HORACE
00:07:08 MANN, ALSO LAW HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATE AND HER WORK AT
00:07:10 PEPPERDINE I THINK IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT TO THE
00:07:12 MISSION AND WORK OF OUR OF OUR BOARD AND THAT IS AS
00:07:15 MAYOR AGNUS CALLS IT WE ARE THE PEOPLE'S COMMISSION.
00:07:19 PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES WITH PERMITS.
00:07:22 EITHER THEY GET ONE OR THEY DON'T GET ONE.
00:07:23 MAYBE THEIR NEIGHBOR GETS ONE AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE FLUMMOXED
00:07:26 BY THE BUREAUCRACY. THEY END UP AT THE BOARD OF
00:07:30 APPEALS THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN AND THEY COME TO
00:07:33 AND WE AND WE LISTEN TO WE APPLY THE LAW BUT WE WE MAKE
00:07:37 SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE HEARD AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WITH
00:07:38 WITH MS.. WONG'S BACKGROUND
00:07:41 AND EXPERIENCE SHE WILL BE VERY ABLE TO DO AS AN ADR EXPERT
00:07:47 FROM PEPPERDINE LAW SCHOOL. I THINK OVERALL HER WHOLE LIFE
00:07:49 AND CAREER PROMOTE ACCESSIBILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY
00:07:52 FOR PEOPLE AVERAGE SAN FRANCISCANS TO BE ABLE TO COME
00:07:56 TO CITY HALL AND HAVE AND HAVE THEIR ISSUES ISSUES HEARD HER
00:07:59 IN PARTICULAR HER WORK WITH THIS SUNSET CHINESE CULTURAL
00:08:03 DISTRICT, CHINESE FOR AFFIRMATIVE ACTION AND OTHERS
00:08:06 REALLY ADDS TO THE DIVERSITY AND BREADTH OF OUR WORK AS THE
00:08:08 BOARD OF APPEALS I APPRECIATE YOUR APPOINTMENT AND APPRECIATE
00:08:13 YOUR VOTE. >> THANK YOU.
00:08:17 >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS MATTER?
00:08:21 NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS? SI NO OTHER SPEAKERS.
00:08:22 PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW CLOSE AND I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
00:08:29 AMEND AND REMOVE REJECT STRIKE REJECTING AND REPLACE WITH
00:08:36 APPROVING AND MOVE THIS FORWARD TO THE FULL BOARD AS A
00:08:40 COMMITTEE REPORT. >> YES.
00:08:40 AMEND IT AND RECOMMEND IT AS AMENDED AS A COMMITTEE REPORT
00:08:44 TO APPROVE ON THAT MOTION. VICE CHAIR CHERYL CHERYL I
00:08:48 REMEMBER AMENDMENT I MEAN I CHAIR WALTON I WALTON I THAT
00:08:55 MOTION PASSES WITHOUT OBJECTION.
00:08:56 THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES.
00:08:59 CONGRATULATIONS MR. CLERK PLEASE CALL ITEM NUMBER TWO.
00:09:02 ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A RESOLUTION AFFIRMING THE IMPORTANCE OF
00:09:06 KEEPING THE INDEPENDENT CIVIL CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF THE SAN
00:09:13 FRANCISCO POLICE COMMISSION AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR.
00:09:17 CLERK. COLLEAGUES, I BROUGHT THIS
00:09:20 RESOLUTION HERE TO THE RULES COMMITTEE VERSUS DOING THIS FOR
00:09:24 WITHOUT COMMITTEE REFERENCE BECAUSE I WANTED TO REALLY
00:09:26 STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF ONE MAINTAINING AN INDEPENDENT
00:09:29 COMMISSION OVERSIGHT BODY FOR THE POLICE COMMISSION.
00:09:33 I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW IS THIS IS A TREND THAT
00:09:40 HAS BEEN EXISTING FOR MANY YEARS NOW WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO
00:09:44 MAKE SURE THAT WE HOLD LAW ENFORCEMENT ACCOUNTABLE WHILE
00:09:48 WE SUPPORT THEM IN DOING THEIR JOBS, THE PROPERTY STREAMLINING
00:09:54 TASK FORCE MAY 1ST OF THE MOST HEINOUS, BACKWARD MOVING,
00:09:58 RACIST AND ILL ADVISED RECOMMENDATIONS ARE PROPOSING
00:10:03 CHANGES TO THE POLICE COMMISSION'S AUTHORITY AND THE
00:10:06 REMOVAL OF INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT OVER THE DEPARTMENT
00:10:08 SAN FRANCISCO'S POLICE COMMISSION EXISTS BECAUSE OUR
00:10:11 COMMUNITIES DEMANDED ACCOUNTABILITY.
00:10:14 NOW A TASK FORCE MADE UP OF ALL PEOPLE IN THE MAJORITY WITH NO
00:10:19 DIVERSITY WANTS TO WEAKEN THE CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT THAT TOOK
00:10:22 DECADES AND TOO MANY LIVES LOST TO BUILD.
00:10:26 WE CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN. WE HAVE SEEN TOO MANY LIVES
00:10:31 LOST IN INJURIES AT THE HANDS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT TO NOT
00:10:34 UNDERSTAND THAT THE FOX CANNOT GUARD THE HENHOUSE.
00:10:37 MARIO WOODS. ALEX NERO.
00:10:41 SEAN MONTI. SARAH.
00:10:44 GEORGE FLOYD. BREONNA TAYLOR.
00:10:48 JUST TO NAME A FEW. UNCHECKED HARM TO COMMUNITY
00:10:52 ERODES TRUST AND WIDENS THE GAPS BETWEEN LAW ENFORCEMENT
00:10:56 AND OUR COMMUNITIES. IT SEEMS IN SOME CASES PEOPLE
00:11:00 FORGET SOME OF THE TRAGEDIES OF THE PAST AND WHY WE HAVE THE
00:11:04 POLICIES IN PLACE THAT WE DO. WILL IT TAKE MORE DEATHS?
00:11:10 WILL IT TAKE MORE HARM TO PEOPLE OF COLOR BEFORE WE TRULY
00:11:15 UNDERSTAND THAT INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT
00:11:18 IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN NECESSARY AND THAT MANY OTHER
00:11:22 MUNICIPALITIES UNDERSTAND AND HAVE POLICIES OR BODIES
00:11:26 IN PLACE TO SUPPORT THAT? THE PROPOSED CHANGES FOR THE
00:11:30 POLICE COMMISSION WERE SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER HOW THE
00:11:33 POLICE COMMISSION WORKS. >> THE PROPOSAL WOULD STRIP THE
00:11:37 POLICE COMMISSION OF ITS INDEPENDENCE TAKE AWAY ITS
00:11:40 POWER TO FIRE AND HIRE POLICE CHIEFS AND HAND MOST ALL
00:11:44 DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS TO THE DECISIONS OF THE CHIEF WHICH IS
00:11:51 EXTREMELY ABSURD. THIS WOULD MOST CERTAINLY CAUSE
00:11:53 MORE HARM THAN GOOD AND IS A MAJOR STEP BACKWARDS IN THE
00:11:56 WORLD OF BEST LAW ENFORCEMENT POLICIES AND PRACTICE.
00:12:00 I WANT TO REMIND THIS BOARD I WANT TO REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT
00:12:04 SAN FRANCISCO'S VERY OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS GIVEN MARCHING
00:12:08 ORDERS TO FIX OVER 200 ISSUES BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE,
00:12:15 ALL OF WHICH ARE NOT COMPLETE. >> AND THOUGH THERE WERE STEPS
00:12:18 TAKEN TO BE COMPLETE AND THOUGH REMOVED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION,
00:12:22 THERE'S ALWAYS, ALWAYS HAS BEEN AND STILL IS SO MUCH WORK TO
00:12:26 DO. SO THIS PROPOSAL TO ELIMINATE
00:12:30 THIS INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT WAS ARBITRARY AND MADE BY A GROUP
00:12:34 OF PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT EVEN CHARGED WITH PROPOSING THESE
00:12:38 TYPES OF CHANGES. THIS IN ITSELF IS UNJUST,
00:12:41 INEQUITABLE AND IN MY OPINION A MOVE WITH RACIST CONSEQUENCES.
00:12:46 >> ASK YOURSELF WHO IS BEING HARMED AND WHO IS MAKING THE
00:12:53 DECISIONS. EVEN PROP E COMMITTEE MEMBER ED
00:12:56 HARRINGTON STATED THE COMMITTEE DID NOT HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO
00:13:00 STEP INTO SOMETHING THAT INVOLVED.
00:13:04 AND HE IS CORRECT THE COMMITTEE OVERSTEPPED ITS BOUNDS AND TOOK
00:13:08 ON ISSUES AND ITEMS THAT WERE NOT REFLECTIVE OF THEIR CHARGE
00:13:12 WITH THIS DECISION. >> THIS IS NOW LED TO SOME
00:13:13 RACIST PROPOSALS PROPOSALS THAT ATTACKED THE GROWTH OF LOW
00:13:17 INCOME COMMUNITIES AND COMMUNITIES OF COLOR
00:13:20 AND PROPOSALS THAT FLAT OUT IGNORE AND ELIMINATE DEMOCRATIC
00:13:24 PRACTICES DRESSING UP HARMFUL POLICIES IN THE NAME OF
00:13:28 EFFICIENCY IS HARMFUL. NONETHELESS IT GOES AGAINST ALL
00:13:35 THE STRIDES WE HAVE MADE OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
00:13:38 >> THESE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE SHAMEFUL AND SHOCKING TO EVEN
00:13:42 BE ON THE TABLE HERE IN SAN FRANCISCO AT 2026.
00:13:46 >> THIS RESOLUTION SIMPLY AFFIRMS THE IMPORTANCE OF
00:13:50 KEEPING THE INDEPENDENCE CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF THE SAN
00:13:54 FRANCISCO POLICE COMMISSION. AND AGAIN I BROUGHT THIS TO
00:13:58 COMMITTEE SO THAT EVERYONE COULD UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE
00:14:02 AND THE WEIGHT OF THIS PROPOSAL AND HOW MUCH HARM AND MISTRUST
00:14:09 SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD CAUSE BETWEEN LAW ENFORCEMENT
00:14:12 AND COMMUNITY. I WANT TO THANK SUPERVISORS
00:14:13 JACKIE FIELDER, CONNIE CHEN AND SHYANNE CHEN FOR THEIR
00:14:18 CO-SPONSORSHIP OF THIS RESOLUTION.
00:14:22 PRESIDENT BENJAMIN, DID YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS
00:14:28 ? I DO.
00:14:28 THANK YOU. AND I UH I DO HAVE A DIFFERENT
00:14:40 VIEW OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE OF THE TASK FORCE AS THEY
00:14:48 RELATE TO THE POLICE COMMISSION.
00:14:49 >> I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE WISE IN ALL CASES.
00:14:51 >> I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY ARE HEINOUS OR RACIST AND THERE ARE
00:14:58 MANY PIECES OF THIS RESOLUTION THAT I CERTAINLY CAN SUPPORT.
00:15:02 >> AS AN EXAMPLE, THE LAST RESOLVE CLAUSE THAT IN ANY
00:15:06 REFORM AFFECTING POLICE GOVERNANCE SHOULD PROCEED ONLY
00:15:07 THROUGH A TRANSPARENT PUBLIC PROCESS THAT INCLUDES EXPERT
00:15:10 CONSULTATION STAKEHOLDERS ENGAGEMENT AND FULL
00:15:14 CONSIDERATION OF THE LONG TERM IMPLICATIONS FOR COMMUNITY
00:15:18 TRUST AND PUBLIC SAFETY IS I THINK LIKE AN UNIMPEACHABLE
00:15:22 CORRECT AND I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK THAT WE HAVE TIME BETWEEN
00:15:30 NOW AND BASICALLY THE MONTH FROM NOW BY WHICH WE'RE GOING
00:15:34 TO HAVE TO INTRODUCE SOMETHING IN MAKING SOME OF THE PROPERTY
00:15:41 COMMISSION'S CHANGES. I DON'T THINK AS AN EXAMPLE
00:15:48 THAT THE POLICE DISCIPLINE RECOMMENDATIONS OF OF THE
00:15:53 PROPERTY TASK FORCE ARE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO
00:15:57 BE ABLE TO REALLY GET OUR HANDS AROUND AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT
00:16:01 IN THE NEXT MONTH. SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE
00:16:04 IN ANYTHING THAT I INTRODUCE AND I DON'T I MEAN WE'LL SEE
00:16:08 WHAT OUR COLLEAGUES WANT TO WANT TO DO WITH IT BUT I DON'T
00:16:10 IMAGINE THAT ANYBODY'S GOING TO PUT SOMETHING ABOUT POLICE
00:16:12 DISCIPLINE INTO A CHARTER AMENDMENT COMING OUT OF THIS
00:16:16 BOARD FOR FOR THIS NOVEMBER. >> THERE ARE OTHER PIECES
00:16:23 THOUGH OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TASK FORCE THAT I THINK
00:16:27 ARE ARE CORRECT TAKING AS AN EXAMPLE THE ABILITY OF A
00:16:33 MAYOR TO HIRE AND FIRE THE POLICE CHIEF.
00:16:34 IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IN OLDEN TIMES WHEN THE MAYOR APPOINTED
00:16:42 ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE OVERSIGHT BODIES OVERSEEING
00:16:46 IMPORTANT CITY DEPARTMENTS YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME DISTANCE
00:16:50 BETWEEN THE MAYOR AND THOSE HIGHER FIRE DECISIONS MAYBE
00:16:53 MADE SOME SENSE. BUT WHAT WE SAW IN THE BREED
00:16:57 ADMINISTRATION PERHAPS YOU KNOW AND I THINK NOT ENTIRELY HER
00:17:04 FAULT OR THE FAULT OF HER ADMINISTRATION OR SHE LOST A
00:17:09 MAJORITY OF HER POLICE COMMISSION.
00:17:13 THERE WERE THERE WAS DIFFERENT GUIDANCE COMING FROM THE
00:17:16 MAYOR OF THE CITY OF COUNTY AND COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO
00:17:17 AND THE COMMISSION OVERSEEING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
00:17:20 AND I DON'T THINK THAT WORKS. SO YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR HAS PUT
00:17:24 OUT A BALLOT MEASURE THAT IS GATHERING SIGNATURES RIGHT NOW
00:17:31 THAT WOULD GIVE WOULD GIVE FUTURE MAYORS AUTHORITY TO HIRE
00:17:35 AND FIRE THE HEAD OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I, YOU KNOW,
00:17:38 THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD THING .
00:17:42 >> SO MY CONCERN IS I CAN'T VOTE FOR THIS RESOLUTION AS IT
00:17:46 CURRENTLY IS WRITTEN INSOFAR AS IT IS PLAINLY OPPOSING THINGS
00:17:54 THAT I I THINK ARE GOOD POLICY AND I THINK THERE IS ALSO A
00:18:00 QUESTION ON THE AUTONOMY OF THE POLICE COMMISSION WHICH IS AN
00:18:04 INDEPENDENCE AND AUTONOMY OF THE POLICE COMMISSION
00:18:07 ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT FOR POLICE DISCIPLINE.
00:18:11 WE DO NOT WANT POLICE COMMISSIONS DISPENSING
00:18:15 DISCIPLINE TO MEMBERS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THE FEAR
00:18:19 THAT IF THEY MAKE A POLITICALLY UNPOPULAR CALL THEY'RE GOING TO
00:18:23 GET FIRED THE NEXT DAY. >> I MEAN THAT'S MY VIEW AND I
00:18:30 THINK I INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY FOR THE COMMISSION IS IMPORTANT
00:18:37 TO THAT END AND I WOULDN'T WANT US TO DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE
00:18:39 THAT IN OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BALLOT MEASURE NOR
00:18:45 ARE WE I THINK GOING TO DO MUCH AROUND THE INDEPENDENCE AROUND
00:18:49 POLICYMAKING BUT I'M NOT ACTUALLY ENTIRELY SURE THAT THE
00:18:53 POLICE COMMISSION SHOULD BE INDEPENDENT OF THE MAYOR IN
00:18:57 SETTING POLICY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE SAME REASONS
00:19:00 I JUST SAID. I THINK WE LOOK TO THE MAYOR TO
00:19:02 BE THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OF THE CITY.
00:19:05 WE ASSUME THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL GENERALLY BE
00:19:07 IMPLEMENTING THE POLICIES OF THE MAYOR THAT WE'VE SELECTED
00:19:10 AND IF WE HAVE COMMISSIONS THAT ARE DOING THINGS THAT ARE SORT
00:19:14 OF DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO WHAT A MAYOR WANTS IN TERMS OF
00:19:17 PUBLIC SAFETY, I DO THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.
00:19:20 SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT LEAVES ME WITH THIS
00:19:23 RESOLUTION. I COULD IF IF THE AUTHOR IS
00:19:27 INTERESTED LIKE TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD
00:19:31 REFLECT KIND OF THE THINGS I'VE SAID WHICH IS GENERAL AGREEMENT
00:19:35 THAT THERE OUGHT TO BE LOTS OF DISCUSSION OF ANY POSSIBLE
00:19:38 CHANGES BUT I'M NOT SURE I AGREE AND I DEFINITELY DON'T
00:19:42 AGREE IN ALL THE DETAILS OF FOR EXAMPLE HIRE OR FIRE OF THE
00:19:46 POLICE CHIEF. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM.
00:19:50 >> SUPERVISOR CHERYL THANK YOU CHAIR WALTON.
00:19:51 I THINK IN SHORT I WOULD ECHO PRESIDENT MANDELL MIN'S
00:19:57 COMMENTS ALMOST TO A TEE. >> I ESPECIALLY AGREE WITH HIM
00:20:05 AND WITH THIS RESOLUTION ON THE ELEMENT OF DISCIPLINARY
00:20:09 AUTHORITY FOR THE COMMISSION. I THINK KEEPING THE COMMISSION
00:20:14 IN CHARGE OF DISCIPLINARY AUTHORITY IS INCREDIBLY
00:20:17 IMPORTANT. HOW ARE THERE OTHER WAYS YOU
00:20:20 KNOW, I THINK I WOULD AGAIN ECHO PRESIDENT GENTLEMANS
00:20:21 COMMENTS AND I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN AMENDMENTS
00:20:28 TO THIS OR ADJUSTMENTS THAT ARE PERHAPS A LITTLE MORE TARGETED.
00:20:29 THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR
00:20:33 CHERYL. SO JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS TO
00:20:37 NOTE BECAUSE I AM DEFINITELY NOT HERE TO HAVE A DEBATE ON
00:20:40 MAYORAL POWER AT THIS POINT. THE RESOLUTION IS ABOUT THE
00:20:44 IMPORTANCE OF INDEPENDENT CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF THE
00:20:48 POLICE COMMISSION. YOU CAN FEEL WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS
00:20:55 THAT WE WANT THE CHIEF TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT DISCIPLINE THAT
00:20:59 THAT DOESN'T HAVE RACIST CONNOTATIONS BUT THE PEOPLE WHO
00:21:03 GET KILLED BY POLICE OFFICERS AND COMMUNITIES WHO LOOK LIKE
00:21:07 ME. >> SO TO TAKE AWAY THAT
00:21:08 OVERSIGHT IS TELLING ME PEOPLE ARE OKAY WITH PEOPLE THAT LOOK
00:21:12 LIKE ME BEING MURDERED BY POLICE AT 100% SAYS THAT
00:21:18 AND THIS WAS AN ALL WHITE BODY THAT MADE THAT DECISION IN 2026
00:21:22 IN SAN FRANCISCO. >> THERE'S NO WAY WE SHOULD
00:21:27 EVER HAVE A BODY MAKING DECISIONS FOR AN ENTIRE CITY
00:21:34 THAT IS ALL WHITE. >> THAT IS RIDICULOUS IN 20 26
00:21:36 AND SAN FRANCISCO. >> SO EVEN IF I AGREE WITH
00:21:37 EVERYTHING THAT CAME OUT OF THIS, IT IS VERY UPSETTING THAT
00:21:43 WE WOULD EVEN PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE LIKE THAT.
00:21:46 IT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO THE WORK THAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE FOR SO
00:21:51 MANY YEARS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RESPECT THE DIVERSITY IN THIS
00:21:54 CITY. >> BUT THIS RESOLUTION IS NOT
00:21:57 ABOUT TAKING AWAY MAYORAL POWER.
00:21:58 IT'S NOT ABOUT THE YOU KNOW, WHO HAS MORE POWER ON THIS
00:22:02 COMMISSION. IT'S REALLY ABOUT SAYING WE
00:22:05 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT OF THE COMMISSION.
00:22:10 THERE ARE SEVERAL CLAUSES IN HERE.
00:22:11 IT'S A RESOLUTION. I MEAN I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU
00:22:14 GUYS DON'T DISSECT EVERY RESOLUTION IN THE LANGUAGE
00:22:17 AND EVERY CLAUSE AND EVERY RESOLUTION.
00:22:20 WE JUST DON'T DO THAT. THIS IS NOT BINDING.
00:22:22 THIS IS A STATEMENT SAYING WE AS A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT
00:22:25 THE VERY LEAST AGREE THAT THERE SHOULD BE INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT
00:22:29 OVER THE POLICE COMMISSION. >> SO YOU CAN FEEL THAT THERE'S
00:22:32 NO RACIST CONNOTATIONS BECAUSE YOU'RE PEOPLE NOT BEING KILLED
00:22:36 BUT MINE ARE. >> AND NOT JUST IN SAN
00:22:37 FRANCISCO ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THAT'S WHY SO MANY POLICE
00:22:41 DEPARTMENTS HAVE PUT INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT IN PLACE
00:22:44 TO MAKE SURE THAT WHILE OUR OFFICERS ARE DOING THEIR JOB,
00:22:49 THEY'RE ALSO PROTECTING COMMUNITY AND RESPECTING
00:22:52 DIVERSITY WHEN THEY GO IN COMMUNITY.
00:22:56 >> AND THIS IS WHAT THIS RESOLUTION NOT LAW NOT
00:22:59 ORDINANCE IS ABOUT. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
00:23:06 OR COMMENTS SO WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
00:23:10 >> YES, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM
00:23:14 SHOULD LINING UP TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME.
00:23:17 >> EACH SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED ONE MINUTE.
00:23:27 >> GOOD MORNING. RULES COMMITTEE GRIFFIN LEE
00:23:28 HERE REPRESENTING WITH US. >> OUR STAFF DID NOT GET THE
00:23:32 GREEN LIGHT TO REPRESENT OUR MEMBERSHIP ON THIS ONE.
00:23:37 >> I FIRMLY BELIEVE AND WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS ADDED
00:23:41 GOVERNMENT BLOAT. >> HOW ARE WE GOING TO KEEP THE
00:23:42 POLICE COMMISSION HELD ACCOUNTABLE WITH MORE PEOPLE
00:23:50 COMING TO THEM AND NOT UNDERSTANDING WHO'S ACTUALLY
00:23:53 MAKING DECISIONS? >> THIS ISN'T ABOUT RACISM.
00:23:58 >> THIS ISN'T ABOUT HEINOUS ACTS.
00:23:59 THIS IS ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY AND ABOUT REDUCING GOVERNMENT
00:24:02 BLOAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:24:05 >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS MATTER?
00:24:15 >> HELEN GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS CASSANDRA HAYES
00:24:20 AND I AM HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE RESOLUTION.
00:24:24 AS SOMEONE WHO HAS HAD TO WITNESS OUR FAMILY WATCHED THE
00:24:27 VIDEO OF THEIR SON BEING SHOT BY THE POLICE IT IS SUPER
00:24:32 IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THIS BODY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A
00:24:38 SECOND VOICE AND TO HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY AND BALANCE.
00:24:42 WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE BALANCES, WHEN MISTAKES HAPPEN
00:24:45 AND IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD A SHOOTING LIKE
00:24:49 THAT IN ALMOST TEN YEARS IN THE MISSION AND I WANT TO SEE THAT
00:24:53 CONTINUE TO HAPPEN. >> THANK YOU.
00:24:57 IN THE INTERNATIONAL SPEAKERS ON THIS MATTER.
00:25:00 >> THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS.
00:25:01 THANK YOU SEE NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS.
00:25:05 PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW CLOSED. PRESIDENT MELANIE THANK YOU
00:25:10 CHAIR WALTON. YOU KNOW I THINK WE DO HAVE
00:25:17 SOME DISAGREEMENTS ABOUT THE ROLE WE WANT THE POLICE
00:25:19 COMMISSION TO PLAY AND HOW WE WANT IT TO OPERATE.
00:25:22 I ALSO THINK WE AGREE ON A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THIS
00:25:29 RESOLUTION. I AM NOT PREPARED TODAY TO VOTE
00:25:30 TO FORWARD THIS TO THE FULL BOARD.
00:25:33 I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIKE SEE IF I CAN ADDRESS THE
00:25:41 CONCERNS THAT I HAVE ABOUT THE RESOLUTION THROUGH AMENDMENTS.
00:25:42 AND IF THAT DOES NOT YOU KNOW, SO WEAKEN THE RESOLUTION THAT
00:25:45 IT LOSES THE SUPPORT OF THE OF THE AUTHOR.
00:25:49 SO I WOULD ASK FOR A WEEK TO TRY AND COME UP WITH
00:25:53 POTENTIALLY AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD WELL FOR ONE INSTANCE
00:25:59 TAKE OUT THE REFERENCES TO HIGHER FIRE AUTHORITY FOR THE
00:26:03 MAYOR AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHILE REAFFIRMING THE
00:26:04 IMPORTANCE OF AN INDEPENDENT POLICE COMMISSION.
00:26:07 IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CHAIR IS INTERESTED IN.
00:26:11 I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO DO THAT OVER THE NEXT WEEK.
00:26:15 I WOULD ASK FOR A ONE WEEK CONTINUANCE.
00:26:18 THANK YOU PRESIDENT AMENDMENT. I AM OKAY WITH CONTINUING THIS
00:26:22 AND HAVING MORE DISCUSSION BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WHETHER
00:26:26 WE COME UP WITH LANGUAGE THAT WE AGREE ON OR NOT I THINK IT'S
00:26:30 A HORRIBLE PRECEDENT FOR US NOT TO COME OUT AGAINST THIS ALL
00:26:36 WHITE COMMITTEE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE GOING
00:26:40 TO BE HARMFUL TO COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.
00:26:43 AND YOU MARK MY WORDS WHETHER I'M HERE OR NOT AFTER JANUARY
00:26:47 OR IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS WAS TO HAPPEN IN THIS CITY, IT
00:26:52 WOULD BE WORSE. IT WOULD BE WORSE FOR LAW
00:26:56 ENFORCEMENT AND FOR OUR COMMUNITIES TO SUPPORT
00:26:59 SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> AND I HAVE TO CONTINUE TO
00:27:01 STRESS THE RIDICULOUSNESS OF HAVING A ALL WHITE COMMITTEE
00:27:04 IN SAN FRANCISCO IN 2026. >> AND SO WHEN YOU SAY WORDS
00:27:11 LIKE HEINOUS DON'T FIT, YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME.
00:27:15 THAT'S INTENTIONAL. YOU INTENTIONALLY SIT THERE
00:27:19 AND SEE A COMMITTEE MADE UP OF NO DIVERSITY, MAKE DECISIONS.
00:27:24 >> DOESN'T THAT AN ACCIDENT? >> PRESENT AMENDMENT ARE THE
00:27:31 ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT IN TERMS OF THE
00:27:35 PRACTICAL IMPLICATIONS I MEAN I ,I WILL WORK ON SOME POSSIBLE
00:27:39 AMENDMENTS FOR A WEEK FROM NOW IN TERMS OF THE MEASURE THAT WE
00:27:47 ARE WORKING ON WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT WOULD BE
00:27:50 IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROPERTY TASK FORCE.
00:27:51 WE ARE. I AM NOT AS I SAID, INTENDING
00:27:55 TO INCLUDE THE RECOMMENDATION AROUND POLICE DISCIPLINE THAT
00:27:59 THE THAT THE THAT THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDED.
00:28:03 >> DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT AND DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THAT
00:28:06 PRESENT AMENDMENT. I ALSO THINK THAT SOMETIMES WE
00:28:08 HAVE TO TAKE STANCES AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO
00:28:11 REMIND PEOPLE OF THE HARM THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN COMMUNITIES
00:28:15 AND WHY THESE BODIES EXIST. >> AND EVEN THOUGH SOME PEOPLE
00:28:19 THINK IT ADDS TO BUREAUCRACY AND IT MAKES IT HARDER TO MAKE
00:28:26 DECISIONS THESE THESE BODIES WERE PUT IN PLACE REALLY TO
00:28:32 MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW BEST PRACTICES IN POLICING AND NOT
00:28:36 JUST IN THE POLICE COMMISSION BUT OTHER COMMISSIONS SO PEOPLE
00:28:41 CAN THINK EVERYTHING IS ARBITRARY BECAUSE IT MOVES NOT
00:28:45 AT A PACE THAT THEY WANT TO BUT WHEN LIFE AND DEATH ARE PART OF
00:28:49 IT, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING THE RIGHT
00:28:53 DECISIONS AND WE CAN'T LET HARMFUL POLICIES BE ACCEPTABLE
00:28:59 JUST FOR EFFICIENCY. >> MR. PRESIDENT HEARD I'D LIKE
00:29:05 TO MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE THIS ITEM ONE WEEK MR. CLERK MOVED
00:29:12 TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO MONDAY ,APRIL 13TH.
00:29:16 >> YES AND A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE MATTER TO APRIL 13TH.
00:29:18 ON THAT MOTION VICE CHAIR CHERYL CHERYL I REMEMBER I MET
00:29:22 A MINIATURE WALTON WALTON I. THAT MOTION PASSES WITHOUT
00:29:27 OBJECTION. THANK YOU.
00:29:30 MOTION CARRIES. MR. CLERK, PLEASE CALL ITEM
00:29:32 NUMBER THREE. >> ITEM NUMBER THREE IS AN
00:29:33 ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE TO
00:29:36 ESTABLISH THE FIRE CODE. TECHNICAL ADVISORY COUNCIL TO
00:29:40 EVALUATE AND ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THE MAYOR AND
00:29:42 THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON THE CRITERIA AND TYPES OF EVIDENCE.
00:29:45 THE FIRE MARSHAL SHOULD CONSIDER IN DETERMINING WHETHER
00:29:49 TO WAIVE, MODIFY OR DELAY CERTAIN COMPLIANT REQUIREMENTS
00:29:52 UNDER THE FIRE CODE THAT CERTAIN EXISTING HIGH RISE
00:29:56 RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS HAVE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS AND TO SET
00:30:00 FORTH THE MEMBERSHIP AND DUTIES FOR THE FIRE CODE TECHNICAL
00:30:01 ADVISORY COUNCIL. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH SUPERVISOR
00:30:04 CHERYL THANK YOU. CHAIR WALTON I THINK MANY OF
00:30:08 YOU IN YOUR IN THE AUDIENCE FOR THIS FOR THIS ISSUE AND I WANT
00:30:18 TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE YOU ALL ARE HERE
00:30:21 BECAUSE YOU'RE HERE ABOUT YOUR LIVELIHOODS.
00:30:23 YOU'RE HERE ABOUT YOUR HOMES AND YOU'RE HERE BECAUSE
00:30:25 SOMETHING IS IN PLACE THAT MAYBE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
00:30:31 IN 2016 WHEN THIS SPRINKLER RETROFIT WAS FIRST PURSUED.
00:30:35 >> A BUDGET AND LEGISLATIVE ANALYST'S REPORT CAME OUT THAT
00:30:39 BASICALLY SAID THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY COSTLY, THIS IS GOING
00:30:43 TO BE HARD TO DO. AND SO THE MEASURE WAS TABLED
00:30:48 FOR SIX YEARS NOW WE'RE EXPECTING A NEW BUDGET
00:30:53 AND LEGISLATIVE ANALYST REPORT TO COME OUT FIRST DRAFT IN THE
00:30:56 COMING DAYS. WE EXPECT THAT TO HAVE MORE
00:31:00 ANALYSIS ON WHAT TYPES OF BUILDINGS DO SEE FIRES, WHAT
00:31:04 TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION. WHERE DOES THE DATA POINT US?
00:31:08 AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT A
00:31:12 TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT DATA.
00:31:13 WE'RE HERE TO INCLUDE EXPERTS IN THE CONVERSATION.
00:31:16 I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD HERE IN SAN FRANCISCO IS INCREDIBLY
00:31:20 IMPORTANT TO US TO BASE OUR DECISIONS ON THE FACTS ON THE
00:31:21 GROUND IF WE'RE GOING TO ACHIEVE A CITY THAT IS EASIER
00:31:25 FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN ACROSS GENERATIONS TO START THEIR
00:31:28 LIVES, THEIR FAMILIES, THEIR CAREERS HERE TO GROW HERE
00:31:32 AND TO STAY HERE ACROSS GENERATIONS.
00:31:33 AND I SEE A MULTI-GENERATIONAL AUDIENCE TODAY.
00:31:36 WE HAVE TO BE SMART. WE HAVE TO BE SMART ABOUT FIRE
00:31:39 SAFETY. WE HAVE TO BE SMART ABOUT
00:31:40 AFFORDABILITY AND WE HAVE TO BE SMART ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING
00:31:44 TO PUT THE CITY'S RESOURCES. AND SO I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL
00:31:45 FOR BEING HERE TODAY. I ESPECIALLY WANT TO THANK THE
00:31:48 FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND FOR ENGAGING THIS
00:31:51 PROCESS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TECHNICAL ADVISORY
00:31:54 COMMITTEE. I'M ENCOURAGED TO SEE SO MANY
00:31:56 DIFFERENT ONES OF MY COLLEAGUES STEPPING FORWARD AND ENGAGING
00:31:59 IN THIS PROCESS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THEIR SUPPORT
00:32:01 ON THIS ISSUE AND GOING FORWARD BECAUSE AFFORDABILITY DOES MEAN
00:32:06 BUILDING NEW HOUSING BUT IT ALSO MEANS ALLOWING PEOPLE TO
00:32:10 STAY IN THE HOMES THAT THEY HAVE NOW WE ALREADY STRENGTHEN
00:32:12 TENANT PROTECTIONS SIGNIFICANTLY LAST YEAR BUT FOR
00:32:18 MANY OF YOU THAT DIDN'T HELP, THAT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
00:32:22 AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO STILL STAND UP AND SAY WHAT IS THE
00:32:24 RIGHT THING FOR SAFETY, WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING FOR
00:32:27 AFFORDABILITY? WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING FOR YOU
00:32:29 AND YOUR FAMILIES BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY GOVERNMENT
00:32:31 IS HERE TO SERVE YOU AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
00:32:34 AND IF YOU CAN'T BE HERE IN SAN FRANCISCO, WHAT IS THE POINT?
00:32:38 SO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
00:32:39 I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE YOUR YOUR YOUR VOICES HEARD
00:32:44 AND I THINK BEFORE THAT HAPPENS WE'RE GOING TO HEAR MAYBE FROM
00:32:46 THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. IS THAT CORRECT?
00:32:48 SURE, WALDEN WE DEFINITELY ARE. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU
00:32:50 TO ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR SHERYL
00:32:52 AND I SEE WE HAVE SO SORRY. SUPERVISOR SORT OF MY
00:32:56 APOLOGIES. THANK YOU CHAIR AND THANK YOU
00:32:59 SUPERVISOR SHERYL FOR THOSE WORDS AND ALL OF YOUR WORK ON
00:33:00 THIS ISSUE. I JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY ECHO
00:33:03 THAT SENTIMENT AND THANK EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE.
00:33:07 I KNOW WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS GOING BACK MONTHS NOW
00:33:11 IN CHAMBERS LIKE THESE AND IN LOBBIES OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS
00:33:17 AND IN OUR OFFICE AND APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK
00:33:19 THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE KNOW AND IN
00:33:22 ALL OF OUR COLLEAGUES KNOW THAT THIS IS A CRITICAL ISSUE.
00:33:28 I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE FRANKLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE A
00:33:32 FEW YEARS AGO AS THIS WAS PASSED OR IN THE CONVERSATION
00:33:37 OF IT BEING PASSED IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THAT 2016 BIELA
00:33:42 REPORT THAT SUPERVISOR SHERYL MENTIONED REALLY SHOULD HAVE
00:33:45 BEEN WE SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED THAT PATH WHICH SAID, YOU KNOW,
00:33:49 BE VERY CAREFUL IF YOU DO THIS AT ALL BUT DIFFERENT TIME,
00:33:53 DIFFERENT BOARD. WE'RE HERE NOW.
00:33:54 WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS RIGHT .
00:33:57 I THINK PAIRING THIS WITH THE EXTENSION THAT WE PASSED A FEW
00:34:01 WEEKS AGO BEGINS TO SET US IN A BETTER DIRECTION AND I'M
00:34:05 LOOKING FORWARD TO THE WORK OF THIS PARTICULAR COUNCIL AND ALL
00:34:09 OF THE INSIGHTS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BRING AGAIN, I THINK
00:34:13 THINGS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE YEARS AGO BUT WE'RE DOING
00:34:14 IT NOW AND I APPRECIATE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEIR
00:34:18 PARTNERSHIP IN THIS AND TRYING TO MAKE THIS RIGHT AND I'LL
00:34:21 AND I'LL LEAVE IT THERE FOR NOW.
00:34:22 >> THANKS. >> THANK YOU.
00:34:25 SUPERVISOR SOUDER AND I KNOW WE HAVE CHIEF DAN CHRISMAN HERE
00:34:29 THIS MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, CHIEF.
00:34:32 >> GOOD MORNING. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE DAN
00:34:34 CHRISMAN, CHIEF OF DEPARTMENT WE AS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT LIKE
00:34:36 TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ORDINANCE TO DEVELOP ATTACK THE
00:34:40 EXISTING ORDINANCE. IT PROVIDES BROAD AUTHORITY FOR
00:34:45 THE FIRE MARSHAL TO DETERMINE HARDSHIP AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING
00:34:48 TO FINE TUNE THAT WITH SOME OF THE CONVERSATION WITH
00:34:51 SUPERVISOR SHERYL AND SOUDER. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
00:34:53 YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR GUIDANCE ON THIS.
00:34:55 WHAT WE'VE ADDED IS THE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP PIECE WHICH
00:34:59 IS IN THE LATEST AMENDMENT TO LEGISLATION AS WELL AS HEART AS
00:35:03 WELL AS DISPLACEMENT. BUT I THINK THOSE ARE
00:35:04 CHALLENGING THINGS TO QUANTIFY AND THAT'S THE VALUE OF THIS
00:35:08 TECHNICAL ADVISORY COUNCIL IS THIS IS A GROUP OF IMPORTANT
00:35:11 STAKEHOLDERS WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT VARIED INTERESTS
00:35:14 AND KNOWLEDGE THAT CAN PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO THE FIRE MARSHAL TO
00:35:16 MAKE THESE VERY CHALLENGING AND DIFFICULT DECISIONS.
00:35:19 SO AGAIN, THE BROAD AVAILABILITY OF THE FIRE
00:35:26 MARSHAL TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS IS GOING TO BE
00:35:27 ASSISTED GREATLY BY THIS TECHNICAL ADVISORY COUNCIL.
00:35:30 WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR GUIDANCE IN ALLOWING US TO
00:35:34 DEVELOP THIS COUNCIL SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD SO WE SPEAK
00:35:35 IN SUPPORT. FIRE MARSHAL LAW IS HERE TO
00:35:39 ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU MAY ON.
00:35:41 THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF. I DO HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF
00:35:45 QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW THAT THE FIRST ONE IS WHAT EXACTLY DOES
00:35:53 THIS TECH HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THE LAW?
00:35:56 >> NO, IT'S AN ADVISORY COUNCIL SO THEY WILL ADVISE THE FIRE
00:36:00 MARSHAL GIVEN DATA THAT THEY COLLECT AND THE CONVERSATIONS
00:36:02 THEY HAVE AMONGST THE 11 MEMBERS AND PROVIDE
00:36:04 RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE FIRE MARSHAL HAS THE ULTIMATE
00:36:07 AUTHORITY BUT THE FIRE MARSHAL STILL MAKES THE DECISION ON
00:36:10 YES. AND THEN BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME
00:36:14 THINGS IN HERE THAT I APPRECIATE AND SO I'M WONDERING
00:36:17 AND YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON THIS HOW ARE WE GOING TO DETERMINE
00:36:21 FINANCIAL HARDSHIP? AND I ASK THAT BECAUSE WE ALSO
00:36:25 UNDERSTAND THAT THIS LAW WAS PUT IN PLACE OF COURSE TO MAKE
00:36:29 SURE THAT WE SAVE LIVES AND KEEP PEOPLE SAFE.
00:36:33 >> SO HOW ARE WE DETERMINING WHAT FINANCIAL HARDSHIP IS
00:36:34 GOING TO LOOK LIKE? I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT
00:36:37 QUESTION SUPERVISOR AND I THINK ONCE THE FIRE MARSHAL AND FIRE
00:36:40 MARSHAL AND I ENTERED OUR POSITIONS WE STARTED EVALUATING
00:36:43 THE ORDINANCE AND SEEING WHERE WE COULD IMPROVE IT AND MAKE IT
00:36:45 MORE SENSIBLE AND THROUGH THE ASSISTANCE OF THE TWO
00:36:48 SUPERVISORS WE WERE ABLE TO INCLUDE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP BUT
00:36:51 DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT FINANCIAL HARDSHIP IS GOING TO
00:36:54 BE CHALLENGING AND THAT'S WHAT THESE 11 MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL
00:36:55 ARE DESIGNED TO BE FORMED IS TO DETERMINE WHAT FINANCIAL
00:36:59 HARDSHIP IS NOW THE CRITERIA THAT THEY USE I THINK IS STILL
00:37:02 TO BE DETERMINED AND HOW ARE THEY SELECTED?
00:37:05 >> SO THERE'S MEMBERS SELECTED BY DIFFERENT GROUPS.
00:37:09 IT'S ACTUALLY SPELLED OUT IN THE ORDINANCE.
00:37:11 I'M HAPPY TO READ IT IF THAT THAT HELPS.
00:37:13 >> NOW JUST FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, IF WE'RE GOING TO
00:37:18 HAVE THE COMMITTEE DEVELOP WHAT A HARDSHIP IS THAT IS
00:37:22 CONCERNING GOING INTO SETTING UP THE TECH WITHOUT REALLY
00:37:29 UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT CRITERIA WHAT THAT FORMULA MAY
00:37:30 LOOK LIKE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF
00:37:33 THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LEGISLATION.
00:37:37 >> UNDERSTOOD. AND THOSE ARE MY ONLY QUESTIONS
00:37:41 FOR NOW, CHIEF. >> THANK YOU.
00:37:47 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. CLERK.
00:37:48 WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
00:37:51 I KNOW EVERYONE IS HERE WAITING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
00:37:55 >> YES, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM
00:37:57 SHOULD LINE UP NOW ALONG THE SIDE BY THE WINDOWS.
00:38:00 EACH SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED ONE MINUTE THERE WILL BE A SOFT
00:38:03 CHARM AND YOU HAVE 30S LEFT AND A LOUDER CHIME WHEN YOUR
00:38:07 TIME HAS EXPIRED. >> OKAY MY NAME IS JOYCE GLICK.
00:38:10 I'M ACTUALLY A DOCTOR. PHYSICAL THERAPY 78 YEARS OLD
00:38:14 AND I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE CHERYL AND LOUDER
00:38:19 AND ALL THE BOARD LOOKING AT THIS I WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS IS
00:38:23 A HARDSHIP FOR EVERYBODY. THERE ARE 141 BUILDINGS, 20,000
00:38:29 RESIDENTS, ALL OF WHOM I'VE BEEN PROVIDING HEALTH CARE FOR
00:38:34 50 YEARS TO OUR MEDICAL COMMUNITY STILL AM IN ALL
00:38:37 DIVERSE COMMUNITIES OF TENDERLOIN CHINATOWN
00:38:44 EVERYWHERE. >> THAT'S WHERE I AM AND THE
00:38:45 ONLY REASON I'M AFFECTED BY THIS IS THAT I LIVE IN ONE OF
00:38:49 THE BUILDINGS AND YES, THIS IS A HARDSHIP.
00:38:53 I STILL WORK BECAUSE I WANT TO STAY IN SAN FRANCISCO.
00:38:57 I LOVE THIS CITY BUT THERE IS NO WAY I CAN AFFORD EVEN IF I'M
00:39:01 WORKING AND I'M MIDDLE CLASS AFFORD TO PAY THIS KIND OF
00:39:07 $300,000 FOR SPRINKLERS AND I FEEL LIKE MY BUILDING IS VERY
00:39:12 SAFE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
00:39:18 >> GOOD MORNING RULES COMMITTEE GRIFFIN LEE CONNECTED THAT'S
00:39:22 OUR STAFF REPRESENTING STAFF AND MEMBERSHIP I'M A COUPLE OF
00:39:26 QUESTIONS YOU KNOW CHIEF CHRISMAN MENTIONED VARIOUS
00:39:29 DIFFERENT GROUPS FORMING TO TO GET TO THIS POINT TO FORM A
00:39:34 COUNCIL ARE THESE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS ARE IS THE
00:39:40 EVERYDAY CITIZEN REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS COUNCIL WHY ISN'T WHY
00:39:44 AREN'T WE JUST ASKING THE QUESTIONS AND LEVERAGING THE
00:39:48 FIRE COMMISSION TO COME UP WITH THE NEW POLICY THINKING ABOUT
00:39:51 PUBLIC SAFETY? YES, THIS COULD LEAD TO
00:39:59 HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS OR HAZARDOUS DISASTER BY NOT
00:40:02 IMPLEMENTING THIS THIS THIS CODE BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE, I
00:40:07 THINK WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT DISPLACEMENT.
00:40:08 >> IF THIS WERE TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH AND BE A BURDEN TO THE
00:40:14 RESIDENTS HERE IN THIS ROOM AND BEYOND, HOW MANY PEOPLE
00:40:18 WOULD BE ACTUALLY DISPLACED? >> THAT'S ALSO A SAFETY RISK.
00:40:20 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> GOOD MORNING.
00:40:28 MY NAME IS ED FISH. I LIVE IN ONE OF THE AFFECTED
00:40:33 BUILDINGS AND I WANTED TO TALK THIS MORNING FOR A SECOND ABOUT
00:40:36 THE COMPOSITION OF TO SEE AS I UNDERSTAND IT RATHER THAN A
00:40:43 COUNCIL OF TRULY INDEPENDENT EXPERTS THERE ARE GOING TO BE
00:40:48 TWO SEATS RESERVED FOR THE LABOR UNIONS BECAUSE OF THEIR
00:40:52 FINANCIAL INTEREST, THEIR INCLUSION AS VOTING MEMBERS OF
00:40:56 TAC CREATES A SHOCKING AND OUTRAGEOUS CONFLICT OF
00:41:00 INTEREST AND DESTROYS ANY LEGITIMACY THE COMMITTEE MAY
00:41:07 OTHERWISE HAVE ENJOYED. >> THANK YOU.
00:41:09 ABSOLUTELY. I'M MAX ISAACMAN AND I LIVE
00:41:17 NEAR COMSTOCK, THE RESIDENCE OF SAN FRANCISCO.
00:41:21 THERE OFFSET ARE AFFECTED BY THIS MANDATE.
00:41:25 >> MANY OF THEM INCLUDING ME ARE SENIORS.
00:41:26 WELL WE'RE SUFFERING BECAUSE OF THIS MANDATE.
00:41:30 WE DON'T WANT IT DEPRESSION, NOT SLEEPING, BLOOD PRESSURE,
00:41:34 GRIEF, ANXIETY. >> I MEAN I HEAR IT ALL THE
00:41:37 TIME FROM US. WE'RE THE PEOPLE I MEAN THE
00:41:41 PEOPLE I TALK TO AND WE DON'T WANT TO MOVE WE DON'T WANT THIS
00:41:45 MANDATE. >> SAN FRANCISCO'S THE ONLY
00:41:49 MAJOR CITY THAT HAS A SPRINKLER MANDATE.
00:41:52 THEY DON'T SPRINKLERS DON'T STOP FIRES.
00:41:55 CALIFORNIA DOES NOT HAVE A MANDATE.
00:41:59 CRITICS OR DON'T HAVE A MANDATE SAYS DON'T HAVE A MANDATE
00:42:04 BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO EXPENSIVE TO DISRUPTIVE NOT WORTH IT.
00:42:08 WE'RE SUFFERING. WE WANT TO CANCEL.
00:42:12 IT'S KILLED OUR REAL ESTATE MARKET.
00:42:15 SAN FRANCISCO'S ONLY CITY WITH THIS L.A. SPEAKER TIME HAS
00:42:22 ELAPSED. >> THANK YOU.
00:42:23 WELL, I'LL TELL YOU I GOT ABOUT 10 OR 20 CITIES HERE.
00:42:27 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
00:42:29 >> MAJOR CITIES ARE HI MY NAME IS BOB KAZMAN.
00:42:41 I WANT TO SUPPORT THE FORMATION OF THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY
00:42:46 COMMISSION. I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT
00:42:47 THAT THIS TAC ADDRESS THE UNRESOLVED COMPLEX ISSUES THAT
00:42:54 REMAIN IN THE FIRE CODE PARTICULARLY AFFORDABILITY WHEN
00:42:58 IT COMES TO AFFORDABILITY, I THINK THE TAC AND EVERYBODY
00:43:02 NEEDS TO LOOK AT THE FULL COMPLEXITY OF THE PROBLEM.
00:43:06 LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. LAST SUMMER THE BOARD PASSED
00:43:10 LEGISLATION ON SEISMIC UPGRADES FOR THIS VERY SAME BUILDINGS
00:43:17 THAT ARE ADDRESSED BY THE THE FIRE CODE.
00:43:20 THOSE ARE VOLUNTARY IF INSTALLING EXPENSIVE SPRINKLERS
00:43:25 MEANS THAT UPGRADES THROUGH SEISMIC UPGRADES WILL NOT BE
00:43:29 AFFORDABLE IF WE'RE PUTTING HUNDREDS OF LIVES AND DOZENS OF
00:43:34 BUILDINGS AT RISK FOR AND TRADE FOR FIRE SPRINKLERS WHERE THERE
00:43:41 MAY BE ALTERNATIVE METHODS YOUR TIME.
00:43:42 >> THANK YOU. >> HI, MY NAME IS GAIL GEARY
00:43:49 AND I LIVE AT 2190 WASHINGTON STREET WHEN THE SPRINKLER
00:43:56 MANDATE WAS PASSED I DON'T THINK ITS IMPACT WAS FULLY
00:43:57 ASSESSED. >> THIS IS WHY MY 91 YEAR OLD
00:44:00 FRIEND LIVES AT 66 CLEARY COURT.
00:44:03 SHE HAS LIVED THERE FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS.
00:44:07 SHE'S A WIDOW. SHE USES A WALKER AND IS ON A
00:44:12 FIXED INCOME. HER FAMILY DOES NOT LIVE IN SAN
00:44:15 FRANCISCO. PLEASE PUT YOURSELF IN HER
00:44:18 SHOES. IMAGINE HER FINANCIAL HARDSHIP
00:44:22 IN PAYING FOR THE SPRINKLERS TO BE INSTALLED.
00:44:23 >> IMAGINE HER PHYSICAL HARDSHIP IN HAVING TO MOVE TO
00:44:27 TEMPORARY HOUSING IF SHE CAN EVEN FIND IT.
00:44:31 AND WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THAT ?
00:44:34 IMAGINE HER EMOTIONAL HARDSHIP HAVING HER LIFE DISRUPTED,
00:44:38 HAVING TO PACK UP AND MOVE. DEALING WITH UNCERTAIN DAY AT A
00:44:43 TIME IN HER LIFE WHEN SHE'S DEALING WITH OTHER ISSUES.
00:44:46 NOW MULTIPLY THAT STORY BY HUNDREDS, EVEN THOUSANDS OF SAN
00:44:50 FRANCISCANS INCLUDING ME. >> TECH IS ESSENTIAL.
00:44:54 PLEASE. >> SPEAKER TO PUT IT INTO
00:44:58 PLACE. THANK YOU.
00:45:04 >> I'M JIM EDLUND FROM 66 CLEARY COURT.
00:45:08 AND I WANT TO URGE THREE CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE.
00:45:13 ONE RETAIL OUTLET A FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS COUNCIL RATHER THAN
00:45:17 PURELY TECHNICAL MAKE IT EXPLICIT THAT IT CONSIDER THE
00:45:22 HUMAN AND FINANCIAL CONCERNS AS WELL AS TECHNICAL.
00:45:26 TO ADD A SEAT ON THE COUNCIL FOR AN ECONOMY MOST EXPERIENCED
00:45:30 IN COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS. AND THREE HAVE THE COUNCIL
00:45:34 REPORT ITS FINDINGS NOT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BUT TO THE
00:45:39 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND MAYOR .
00:45:41 >> THANK YOU. >> AND THE PUBLIC.
00:45:47 >> HI, MY NAME IS JEFF LYONS AND I'M IN AN AFFECTED
00:45:52 BUILDING. AFFORDABILITY HAS BECOME THE
00:45:56 NEW WATCHWORD IN AMERICAN POLITICS.
00:45:57 MY HOPE IS THAT IT ACTUALLY BECOMES A GUIDING PRINCIPLE FOR
00:46:00 ACTION THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS ACTUALLY PASS LAWS
00:46:04 AND ELIMINATE MANDATES THAT TRULY MAKE SAN FRANCISCO
00:46:08 AND CALIFORNIA AFFORDABLE. AFFORDABILITY IS THE PRIMARY
00:46:12 REASON WHY PEOPLE ARE LEAVING CALIFORNIA FOR PLACES LIKE
00:46:15 TEXAS AND FLORIDA. IT IS REASON WHY BLUE STATES
00:46:19 WILL LOSE MORE CONGRESSIONAL SEATS AND VOTES IN THE
00:46:23 ELECTORAL COLLEGE AT THE NEXT CENSUS.
00:46:27 THIS WILL MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR DEMOCRATS TO HOLD
00:46:31 CONGRESS AND TO WIN PRESIDENCY IN THE FUTURE.
00:46:35 PLEASE MAKE AFFORDABILITY AN ACTION PLAN NOT JUST A
00:46:39 WATCHWORD. THANK YOU.
00:46:44 >> GOOD MORNING. >> MY NAME IS VICTORIA PONS.
00:46:49 I'M A RESIDENT AT THE HAMILTON IN THE TENDERLOIN.
00:46:52 I'M ALSO A RECIPIENT OF DOWNPAYMENT ASSISTANCE FROM THE
00:46:54 MAYOR'S OFFICE OF HOUSING. THE RESIDENTS IN MY BUILDING
00:46:57 ARE GOVERNING GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES LIKE MYSELF AS WELL
00:47:00 AS RETIREES, TEACHERS AND ARTISTS.
00:47:01 >> SO I'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS MANDATE WILL CAUSE
00:47:05 EXTREME FINANCIAL HARDSHIP ON ME AND MY COMMUNITY.
00:47:06 >> I ASK THAT THIS COMMITTEE EXPAND THE PROPOSED TECHNICAL
00:47:09 ADVISORY COMMITTEES MANDATE TO THOROUGHLY EXAMINE HOW THE
00:47:13 RETROFIT WILL FINANCIALLY AND PHYSICALLY IMPACT RESIDENTS
00:47:16 . >> I ALSO ASK TO DELAY
00:47:17 IMPLEMENTATION AND ENFORCEMENT UNTIL THE TASK COMMITTEE
00:47:20 OFFICIALLY RELEASES ITS FINDINGS.
00:47:21 >> PLEASE HELP US KEEP OUR DREAM OF LIVING THRIVING
00:47:24 AND CONTRIBUTING TO OUR CITY. >> THANK YOU.
00:47:31 >> GOOD MORNING. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
00:47:35 MY NAME IS JENNIFER GILBERT AND I LIVE IN ONE OF THE
00:47:36 BUILDINGS AFFECTED BY THE SPRINKLER MANDATE.
00:47:39 >> WHILE WE APPRECIATE THE THE EXTENSION THE $300,000 PER UNIT
00:47:43 BURDEN STILL THREATENS TO FORCE SENIORS AND FAMILIES OUT OF
00:47:47 THEIR HOMES. WE ARE OPEN TO COMPROMISES THAT
00:47:51 MAKE OUR BUILDING SAFER AND WE THANK THE CURRENT FIRE
00:47:55 DEPARTMENT LEADERSHIP FOR THEIR WILLINGNESS TO FIND A PATH
00:47:59 FORWARD. >> HOWEVER, BECAUSE THIS
00:48:00 MANDATE WAS CHAMPIONED BY A FORMER OFFICIAL WHO IMMEDIATELY
00:48:06 SOUGHT TO PROFIT FROM ITS ENFORCEMENT, THERE IS A PAINFUL
00:48:10 APPEARANCE OF CORRUPTION. WHERE THERE IS SMOKE, THERE IS
00:48:14 FIRE TO RESTORE PUBLIC TRUST. >> EVERY MEMBER OF THE TAXING
00:48:20 MUST BE REQUIRED TO FILL OUT A FORM 700 DISCLOSURE.
00:48:23 PLEASE PRIORITIZE DATA AND EMPATHY OVER INDUSTRY
00:48:28 PROFITS. DO NOT PUT THOSE WHO BENEFIT
00:48:31 THE MOST FROM THE MOST EXPENSIVE OPTIONS ABOVE THE
00:48:35 PEOPLE OF SAN FRANCISCO. >> THANK YOU FOR ME.
00:48:43 MY NAME IS VELMA DEAN. I LIVE IN THE FONTANA WEST.
00:48:47 >> I'M AN 84 YEAR OLD ALMOST 85 RETIRED SCHOOL TEACHER AND AS
00:48:53 I'VE SOME OF YOU HAVE HEARD ME SAY BEFORE, I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT
00:49:01 AFFORD A QUARTER OF $1 MILLION ON TOP OF OF OF EVERYTHING ELSE
00:49:08 THAT IT COSTS ME TO LIVE AND FOR WHICH I HAVE PLANNED.
00:49:12 >> I, I AND I HAVE SAID I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THIS
00:49:22 IN FIVE YEARS AND I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT IN TEN YEARS.
00:49:26 >> AND AS I'VE SPOKEN TO OTHER OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, IT'S
00:49:33 ALSO IT'S ALSO BECOMING KIND OF A SWORD OF DAMOCLES OR WATER
00:49:41 TORTURE IF YOU WILL, DRIPPING ON US BECAUSE WE ARE ALL OF US
00:49:45 EVERY DAY WORRIED. >> SPEAKER HAS A LAPSE
00:49:49 THREATENED BY THIS. >> THANK YOU FOR FOR LISTENING
00:49:53 TO US. >> >> MY NAME IS NEIL BARDACH
00:50:03 AND PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD AT THE COMSTOCK.
00:50:04 I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF ALL MY RESIDENTS 128 UNITS.
00:50:08 I THINK ONE I JUST TURNED 80 AND I EMPATHIZE WITH ALL OF THE
00:50:12 THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID ABOUT HAVING TO MOVE AND HAVING
00:50:16 TO FIND FUNDS TO PAY FOR THIS. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE'VE
00:50:19 HEARD THE WORD SAFETY SO MANY TIMES IN THESE HEARINGS THAT I
00:50:23 THINK THIS THIS TECH OUGHT TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE MEANS
00:50:27 AND METHODS THAT CAN GET THE FIREMEN AS SAFE AS THEY CAN BE.
00:50:33 >> EVERYONE IN MY BUILDING AND EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM
00:50:34 APPLAUD AND ADMIRE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE THEIR
00:50:38 PEOPLE AND WE CARE ABOUT SAFETY.
00:50:41 BUT THIS ORDINANCE IS NOT NECESSARILY THE ONLY WAY TO
00:50:44 ACHIEVE THAT SAFETY. >> THANK YOU.
00:50:48 >> HI, I'M ALAN BOWLEY. I LIVE IN FONTANA EAST AND I
00:50:53 JUST WANTED I SUPPORT THE COMMITTEE BUT I JUST WANT THEM
00:50:57 TO ALSO ADDRESS THAT SOME BUILDINGS POSE LOW FIRE RISK
00:51:00 BECAUSE THEY ARE CONSTRUCTED OF REINFORCED CONCRETE AND OTHER
00:51:04 NONCOMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS. SO EXTENSIONS ALSO SHOULD BE
00:51:07 LOOKING AT THAT FACTOR. >> THANK YOU.
00:51:14 GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS DAN RABINOWITZ.
00:51:16 I'M THE TREASURER OF 1070 GREENE STREET, ONE OF THE
00:51:19 AFFECTED BUILDINGS. WE STRONGLY SUPPORT THE
00:51:22 ORDINANCE WHICH IS BEFORE YOU AND WE URGE ITS ADOPTION.
00:51:28 I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST THAT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR
00:51:33 THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER A
00:51:37 HOLISTIC RANGE OF METHODOLOGIES AND APPROACHES TOWARDS
00:51:41 MITIGATING FIRE RISK IN THESE BUILDINGS.
00:51:44 LOOKING AT THEIR RESPECTIVE COSTS AND BENEFITS RATHER THAN
00:51:48 SIMPLY FOCUSING ON THE RETROFITTING OF SPRINKLERS,
00:51:53 THERE'S MORE THAT CAN BE DONE TO INCREASE SAFETY AT IN A MUCH
00:51:57 MORE COST EFFECTIVE FASHION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:52:03 >> HI, MY NAME IS ALAN YORK AND I'M A BOARD MEMBER OF 2190
00:52:08 BROADWAY. WE ARE I THINK ONE OF THE
00:52:12 AFFECTED BUILDINGS. I WOULD MAKE TWO COMMENTS.
00:52:16 COMMENT NUMBER ONE WHAT MAY BE AFFORDABLE TO ME MAY NOT BE
00:52:19 AFFORDABLE TO OTHER PEOPLE IN OUR BUILDING.
00:52:23 AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN OUR BUILDING IF THIS WERE MANDATED
00:52:27 WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE 4 OR 5 PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE FORCED TO
00:52:30 LEAVE THE BUILDING. BUT RIGHT.
00:52:33 NOT FAIR. NOT RIGHT.
00:52:34 SECONDARILY, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE ORDINANCE I
00:52:38 DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE ORDINANCE ABOUT ACTUALLY
00:52:41 LOOKING AT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING ITSELF.
00:52:45 IF YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT THAT
00:52:48 WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS, THEY'RE CEMENT BUILDINGS.
00:52:52 IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT A BUILDING THAT IS A CEMENT
00:52:57 BUILDING DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF
00:53:03 A SPRINKLER SYSTEM. AND THEN LASTLY, I WOULD JUST
00:53:07 SAY THAT WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT YOUR TIME HAS
00:53:12 ELAPSED. >> THANK YOU.
00:53:13 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> GOOD MORNING.
00:53:19 MY NAME IS SUNNY PETERSON. I'M AT 1050 NORTH POINT STREET,
00:53:23 FONTANA WEST AND I WANT TO BRING UP I APPRECIATE THAT THIS
00:53:27 BOARD IS RECONSIDERING AND PAYING ATTENTION TO THE
00:53:31 ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN IGNORED FOR A LONG TIME BEFORE WE EVEN KNEW
00:53:35 IT EXISTED. SO ONE THING MY SON IS A FIRE
00:53:39 CHIEF IN ANOTHER STATE AND HE I TALKED TO HIM EXTENSIVELY ABOUT
00:53:42 THIS. THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER
00:53:45 SOLUTIONS THAN THIS. AND OBVIOUSLY THE LAST BOARD
00:53:49 WAS REMISS WHEN THEY PASSED THIS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LOOK
00:53:50 AT THOSE SOLUTIONS. >> BUT THEN YOU LOOK AT THE
00:53:53 PEOPLE HERE TODAY AND WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY
00:53:57 AFFECTED BY THIS BY THE AN EXEMPTION DOES NOT WORK FOR US
00:54:01 BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY HARM THAT THE CAN'T REMEDY.
00:54:04 >> AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN
00:54:06 AND LOOK AT WHO WILL FOLLOW THE MONEY.
00:54:10 WHO WON WHEN THIS WAS PASSED? WHO WERE THE PEOPLE WHO
00:54:13 BENEFITED BECAUSE IT SURE WASN'T US.
00:54:16 AND THE SECOND ONE IS WHO IS BENEFITING RIGHT NOW IN TERMS
00:54:20 OF BEING A CONSULTANT, IN TERMS OF BEING ON A ON A COMMISSION
00:54:24 OR ON A BOARD. >> LOOK AT WHO'S BENEFITING
00:54:26 NEXT TIME. >> IT'S NOT US.
00:54:27 THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING.
00:54:38 THE SPRINKLER RETROFIT CLAUSE OF THE FIRE CODE IS AN
00:54:42 INEFFECTIVE USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
00:54:43 IT IS OUR HOPE THAT THE TAC RELYING ON THE BIELA FINDINGS
00:54:47 RECOMMENDS TO REPEAL THIS LAW AND RECOMMENDS A COMPLETE
00:54:50 REDRAFT BASED ON RATIONAL GUIDELINES PREVAILING FOR
00:54:54 PROVIDING FOR AFFORDABLE EFFECTIVE ALTERNATIVES TO
00:54:58 SPRINKLERS. IT IS ALSO OUR HOPE OR ASK THAT
00:55:02 THE BOARD INSTRUCT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO
00:55:05 INVESTIGATE THE SELF-DEALING, UNETHICAL CONDUCT OF MEMBERS OF
00:55:09 THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHICH STAINS THEIR REPUTATION AND BY
00:55:12 EXTENSION THAT OF THIS ADMINISTRATION.
00:55:14 THANK YOU. >> HELLO.
00:55:19 AS MENTIONED LAST TIME MY BROTHER AND SISTER HAD TO MOVE
00:55:23 OUT OF THE CITY BECAUSE OF BEING UNABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE
00:55:26 HERE. I WENT TO SAN FRANCISCO STATE
00:55:27 UNIVERSITY AFTER GOING TO WASHINGTON HIGH SCHOOL MARINA
00:55:30 MIDDLE SCHOOL AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL HERE IN THE CITY.
00:55:33 AND I MEAN NOT TO MOVE OUT OF THE CITY.
00:55:34 AND I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT BEFORE GETTING A TEACHING CREDENTIAL I
00:55:38 WAS IN CONSTRUCTION. AND TO SAY THAT THIS WOULD
00:55:41 CAUSE ANYWHERE ANYWHERE NEAR UNDER $100,000 PER UNIT TO TEAR
00:55:44 OPEN THE CEILING TO PUT IN PIPING HOPING NOTHING GOES
00:55:47 WRONG, NOTHING IS EVER ON SCHEDULE OR ON BUDGET.
00:55:50 AND FINALLY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WAS
00:55:52 MISSPENT ON DRUG TREATMENT PROGRAMS.
00:55:55 THAT'S NOT OUR FAULT. THAT'S NOT OUR FAULT.
00:55:56 WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY THAT. IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THE
00:55:58 FIREFIGHTERS, THE CITY SHOULDN'T MISMANAGE THEIR FUNDS
00:56:02 PAY FOR IT. >> WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO PAY
00:56:04 FOR IT? THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
00:56:05 I MEAN HAVE TO MOVE OUT OF THE CITY AND AS I SAID LAST TIME,
00:56:07 YOU SHOULD ALL BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF.
00:56:14 >> OH, MY NAME IS NADIA KERRY. I LIVE IN FONTANA WEST.
00:56:18 THIS IS MY ONLY HOME. I LIVE IN SOCIAL SECURITY.
00:56:23 I CAME TO THIS COUNTRY AS A REFUGEE WITH NOTHING I WORKED
00:56:26 ALL MY LIFE UNTIL I RETIRED AND NOW I LIVE IN A HOME WHICH
00:56:30 I LOVE AND I WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE LIVING THERE.
00:56:34 AS I SAID, I LIVE IN A SOCIAL SECURITY AND I HAVE SOME MONEY
00:56:37 PUT AWAY FOR LATER FOR WHEN I NEED HELP, WHEN I NEED MEDICAL
00:56:41 EXPENSES PAID AND SO ON AND I CANNOT AFFORD SPENDING THEM ON
00:56:45 SPRINKLERS WHICH DON'T DO WHICH ARE NOT EVEN PROVEN TO HELP
00:56:49 IN CASE OF FIRE. >> SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO TO
00:56:53 REQUEST IS TO REPEAL THIS. THIS MANDATE AND ALSO TO LOOK
00:56:59 AN OPEN INVESTIGATION INTO HOW IT GOT ONTO INTO THE CODE
00:57:03 BECAUSE THIS DEFINITELY DOESN'T SMELL RIGHT.
00:57:04 >> THANK YOU. >> >> HI.
00:57:11 MY NAME IS TRIGGER. I'M A RESIDENT OF ONE OF THE
00:57:13 BUILDINGS AFFECTED AND I SPEND MOST OF MY LIFE WORKING
00:57:15 IN PRIVATE SECTOR AND FOR ANY SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT THAT YOU
00:57:22 RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD. YOU HAD TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT
00:57:25 TECHNICAL ANALYSIS OF RISK BENEFITS AND IF I HAD EVER
00:57:30 PROPOSED TO MY BOARD MAKING SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT LIKE
00:57:34 THIS WITHOUT THOSE STUDIES I WOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED.
00:57:38 SO MY MESSAGE TO YOU IS THAT FOR EVERY SUPERVISOR THAT
00:57:41 SUPPORTS PASSING THIS RESOLUTION WITHOUT TECHNICAL
00:57:45 SUPPORT THEY SHOULD GET FIRE. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL
00:57:53 SPEAKERS ON THIS MATTER? THERE ARE NO MORE SPEAKERS FOR
00:57:56 THIS MATTER. >> THANK YOU, MR. CLERK.
00:58:00 SAY NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW CLOSED.
00:58:03 >> PRESIDENT MELAMED. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR WALTON.
00:58:08 AND I WANT TO THANK VICE CHAIR SHERYL AND SUPERVISOR SAUTER
00:58:12 FOR THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE ON THIS PROBLEM.
00:58:18 I FEEL TERRIBLE FOR ALL OF THE FOLKS WHO HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH
00:58:23 THE IMPACTS OR THE UNINTENDED IMPACTS OF THIS LEGISLATION I
00:58:31 THINK OR THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATION.
00:58:31 I THINK IT WAS PLAINLY WELL IN MY VIEW A WELL-INTENDED
00:58:35 EFFORT TO REDUCE FIRE RISK IN BUILDINGS WHERE FIRE COULD
00:58:39 BE CATASTROPHIC. I ALSO THINK THAT IN IN THE
00:58:46 EFFECTS SOME ONE OF THE SPEAKERS MENTIONED THE COST
00:58:47 BENEFIT ANALYSIS. AND THERE ARE PLAINLY GOING TO
00:58:51 BE SOME BUILDINGS AND SOME SITUATIONS WHERE A COST BENEFIT
00:58:54 ANALYSIS IS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT THIS THIS IS NOT A PATH
00:58:58 FORWARD. I THINK THIS IS AN ELEGANT WAY
00:59:04 OF TRYING TO TEASE APART THE LEGITIMATE SAFETY CONCERNS
00:59:09 AND TRYING TO RESPOND TO SITUATIONS WHERE SPRINKLERS
00:59:13 COULD MAKE A BUILDING SAFER IN A WAY THAT WOULD NOT
00:59:17 DISPLACE FOLKS FROM THEIR HOMES WHILE ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT AS
00:59:20 ORIGINALLY PASSED THIS LEGISLATION WAS NOT GOING TO BE
00:59:25 THE RIGHT SOLUTION FOR ALL SITUATIONS.
00:59:29 SO I WANT TO THANK THE FIRE THE FIRE CHIEF AND FIRE MARSHAL FOR
00:59:33 YOUR WILLINGNESS TO ENGAGE AROUND THIS.
00:59:36 I TRUST THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO ENGAGE IN THIS BALANCING THE
00:59:40 COSTS AND BENEFITS AS THEY ARE IMPACTING REAL PEOPLE IN THEIR
00:59:43 ACTUAL HOMES WHICH THEY DO NOT WANT TO LOSE.
00:59:44 AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDED AS A CO-SPONSOR.
00:59:48 >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT MELAMED AND JUST IF I MAY.
00:59:52 VICE CHAIR SHERYL, WHEN I AGREE WITH PRESIDENT MENEM AND TERMS
00:59:59 OF THE FACT THAT THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATION HAD WELL INTENTIONS
01:00:04 ABOUT REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PREVENT OBVIOUSLY MAJOR
01:00:11 HAZARDS FROM TAKING PLACE AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT COULD
01:00:15 HAPPEN IN A MAJOR FIRE IN A BUILDING THAT HAS SEVERAL
01:00:19 TENANTS. I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS
01:00:23 THAT IS IS CONCERNING FOR ME AS WE TALK ABOUT THE TECHNICAL
01:00:30 ADVISORY COUNCIL IS MAKING SURE THAT WHEN WE DO THE COST
01:00:37 BENEFIT ANALYSIS THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY COMMITTED
01:00:45 AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS COULD BE FROM
01:00:52 FROM THE LEGISLATION. WHEN WE HEAR THINGS LIKE
01:00:59 EVERYONE WOULD HAVE A HARDSHIP THAT GETS CONCERNING FOR ME
01:01:01 BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT IS NOT AND CANNOT BE THE CASE
01:01:07 AND COMMENTS LIKE THAT MAKE ME THINK THAT EVERYONE IS NOT
01:01:14 FOCUSED ON MAKING SURE THAT WE ACTUALLY COME UP WITH BEST
01:01:19 POLICY. WOULD THE COMMITTEE LIKE THIS?
01:01:22 A REAL ESTATE MARKET IS NOT KILL AND WILL NOT BE KILLED
01:01:26 BECAUSE IT IS POLICY. BUT I DO WANT TO THANK
01:01:30 SUPERVISORS THROUGH INSIDER FOR WORKING WITH COMMUNITY TO TRY
01:01:34 TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING BECAUSE I DEFINITELY CAN 100%
01:01:37 AGREE THAT THIS WOULD CAUSE A HARDSHIP FOR SOME.
01:01:44 I THINK ANOTHER THING THAT IS A MAJOR CONCERN FOR ME AND I'M
01:01:48 PRETTY SURE MY COLLEAGUES WERE WELL-INTENDED BUT HAVING A
01:01:52 SUPERVISOR OR SERVE ON A SEAT LIKE THIS TO ME IS COMPLETELY
01:02:00 INAPPROPRIATE. ONE WE HAVE OVERSIGHT AUTHORITY
01:02:04 ALREADY AND I CAN'T SEE WHEN A SUPERVISOR MAKES A
01:02:08 RECOMMENDATION TO A FIRE COMMISSIONER.
01:02:09 IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A RECOMMENDATION.
01:02:13 SO WE HAVE A COMMITTEE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE MADE UP OF
01:02:16 CONSTITUENTS AND A SUPERVISOR SERVING ON THAT SAME COMMITTEE
01:02:19 . THAT SEEMS PROBLEMATIC TO ME
01:02:20 BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN I MAKE A SUGGESTION TO CITY DEPARTMENTS
01:02:28 THEY TAKE IT WITH UTMOST SERIOUSNESS AND I DON'T KNOW IF
01:02:32 THAT'S FAIR TO DO THAT TO PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THE CITY TO
01:02:36 HAVE A SUPERVISOR SERVING ON A TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE
01:02:42 FULL OF RESIDENTS. I THINK THAT IS VERY
01:02:46 PROBLEMATIC AND I'M SURE THE INTENT WAS NOT TO DO ANYTHING
01:02:50 THAT MAY LOOK LIKE THE SUPERVISOR COULD BE PUSHING
01:02:55 SOMETHING IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION BUT MOST CERTAINLY WE
01:02:59 DON'T TYPICALLY DO THAT ON BODIES LIKE THIS.
01:03:00 >> IN FACT I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE SEEN ONE PRESENT AMENDMENT.
01:03:03 >> I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON A BOARD
01:03:07 OF SUPERVISORS. BUT I THINK THAT IS CONCERNING
01:03:13 . BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO APPRECIATE
01:03:14 THE PUBLIC FOR COMING OUT AND DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND A LOT
01:03:17 OF THE CONCERNS. >> VICE CHAIR SURE.
01:03:22 WELL TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN DIRECTLY, I THINK THE POINT OF
01:03:25 HAVING A SUPERVISOR ON THIS IS TO REPRESENT THE RESIDENTS.
01:03:28 >> I THINK EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT HERE FEELS THAT THEY
01:03:30 HAVE NOT BEEN REPRESENTED THAT IN 2022 THEY WERE NOT
01:03:33 REPRESENTED AND THAT IN 20 22 THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DID
01:03:36 NOT EVEN CONSIDER TO NOTIFY THEM THAT THIS WAS UNDER
01:03:40 CONSIDERATION. NOW EACH INDIVIDUAL SUPERVISOR,
01:03:44 EACH INDIVIDUAL OF THE 11 DISTRICTS MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT
01:03:47 SET OF BUILDINGS IN THOSE. MINE HAS A LOT SUPERVISOR SÖDER
01:03:48 HAS A LOT BUT WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THEM.
01:03:52 >> AND I THINK THE CONCERN HERE IS THAT WHEN I HAVE MET WITH
01:03:56 THE AFFECTED BUILDINGS, WHEN I HAVE MET WITH THE AFFECTED
01:04:00 LANDLORDS, HOW MANY OF YOU GOT NOTIFIED THAT THIS WAS UNDER
01:04:04 CONSIDERATION? >> FURTHERMORE, HOW MANY OF YOU
01:04:07 ACTUALLY RECEIVED THE NOTIFICATION THAT THIS PASSED?
01:04:11 >> AND SO IN THE ROLE OF OVERSIGHT ON THE BOARD OF
01:04:13 SUPERVISORS I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT THE PASSIVE ROLE OF
01:04:15 OVERSIGHT HAS NOT WORKED IN THE PAST AND WE NEED TO TAKE A MORE
01:04:19 ACTIVE ROLE. FOR TOO LONG THE BOARD OF
01:04:20 SUPERVISORS HAVE PLAYED A LOT OF ROLE IN OVERSIGHT BEFORE THE
01:04:24 INK IS DRY BUT THEN WALKED AWAY ONCE THE INK DRIED.
01:04:27 >> WELL I'M NOT WALKING AWAY. SUPERVISOR IS NOT WALKING AWAY
01:04:30 . AND I THINK IT'S UP TO US TO
01:04:31 START LOOKING AT THE DATA HERE. >> NOW FIRE SAFETY IS
01:04:35 INCREDIBLY, INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
01:04:38 BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DATA, HOARDING IS A MASSIVE PROBLEM
01:04:42 HERE IN THE CITY AND I WANT TO COMMEND CHIEF CRISPIN FOR
01:04:43 STANDING UP TO ADDRESS HOARDING LITHIUM ION BATTERIES JUST
01:04:46 IN THE PAPER TODAY. MASSIVE PROBLEM AND ONCE AGAIN
01:04:50 CHIEF CHRISMAN IS TAKING A LEAD ON THIS.
01:04:51 THESE ARE CRITICAL ISSUES THAT ARE KILLING PEOPLE EACH
01:04:54 AND EVERY DAY HERE IN SAN FRANCISCO.
01:04:55 THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
01:04:58 THAT'S WHERE THE DATA SHOWS US .
01:05:01 AND IF WE'RE GOING TO BE SMART GOING FORWARD, WE HAVE TO SEE
01:05:03 THAT THIS IS NOT THE LAST TIME A MANDATE MIGHT BE COMING DOWN
01:05:06 THE PIPE CONCRETE. IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR
01:05:10 A LOT OF BUILDINGS. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO THERE?
01:05:14 ARE WE JUST GOING TO SAY HERE SOLVE A $1.8 BILLION PROBLEM ON
01:05:17 YOUR OWN? OR ARE WE GOING TO SYNC UP AS A
01:05:18 CITY AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS THIS?
01:05:21 YOU KNOW, H.R. ONE HEALTH CARE CUTS OVER $400 MILLION ARE
01:05:26 COMING DOWN ON OUR HEADS HAVE ALREADY AND I THINK THE
01:05:28 MAYOR VERY SMARTLY HAS SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO BEAR THESE
01:05:31 CUTS ALONE. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS AS A
01:05:34 WHOLE CITY BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT HEALTH CARE IS A VALUE
01:05:37 THAT WE STAND FOR. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
01:05:38 AND SO I THINK WE'VE GOT TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT ALL THESE
01:05:41 THINGS AND SAYING WHO ARE WE GOING TO THROW THE BURDEN UPON?
01:05:45 WHO ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THIS SORT OF DAMOCLES WAVING OVER
01:05:47 YOUR HEADS? >> AND SO FOR ME I THINK THIS
01:05:50 IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU. YOU WANT CERTAINTY AND YOU WANT
01:05:53 SPEED. YOU WANTED TO KNOW YESTERDAY
01:05:57 WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND I CAN'T DELIVER THAT FOR
01:05:58 YOU. THE BOARD CAN'T DELIVER THAT
01:06:00 FOR YOU. BUT I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT
01:06:01 TO MOVE ON AND MOVE FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE WITH THE
01:06:05 KNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT.
01:06:11 AND FOR ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD HAVE SAID THE WORD REPEAL, I
01:06:12 UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I REGRET THAT WE CAN'T
01:06:16 DELIVER PERFECT FOR YOU TODAY. >> BUT AS WE GO FORWARD, I
01:06:19 THINK IT IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT FOR US AS A CITY TO
01:06:23 LOOK AT HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING THINGS IN THE PAST AND MAKE
01:06:27 SURE THAT THE APPROACH IN THE FUTURE IS DIFFERENT TAKES
01:06:30 RESIDENTS INTO ACCOUNT AND CHARTS A PATH OF SAFETY
01:06:34 BASED ON DATA AND BASED ON EFFECTIVENESS.
01:06:38 AND WITH THAT I'D LIKE TO I'M SURE MY COLLEAGUES WHO WRITE
01:06:40 SORT OF WILL SAY A COUPLE WORDS BUT I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO FORWARD
01:06:43 THIS TO THE FULL BOARD WITH POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
01:06:50 SUPERVISOR SENATOR THANK YOU CHAIR AND THANK YOU SUPERVISOR
01:06:54 CHERYL FOR ALL YOUR LEADERSHIP IN THIS.
01:06:55 JUST VERY BRIEFLY I WANT TO THANK AGAIN EVERYONE FOR FOR
01:07:00 JOINING TODAY FOR CONTINUING TO MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD ON THIS.
01:07:03 I CONTINUE TO FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS LET YOU DOWN
01:07:07 PARTICULARLY A FEW YEARS AGO AND WE'RE TRYING TO TO FIX THAT
01:07:13 . I WANT TO JUST MENTION BECAUSE
01:07:14 IT WAS INVOKED A FEW TIMES THE SCOPE OF THIS PARTICULAR
01:07:18 COUNCIL IN THIS BODY. AND IN ADDITION TO THE FOCUS,
01:07:22 THE STRONG FOCUS ON HARDSHIP AND FINANCIAL MEANS, THIS BODY
01:07:27 IS ALSO GOING TO BE TASKED WITH LOOKING AT SOME OF THE LANGUAGE
01:07:31 THAT WAS PASSED BUT NOT NECESSARILY DEFINED.
01:07:34 A FEW YEARS AGO AND I'M TALKING ABOUT TERMS LIKE REASONABLE
01:07:37 DEGREE OF FIRE PROTECTION, ALTERNATIVE PROTECTION THAT'S
01:07:40 ONE THAT WE'VE HEARD A LOT AND ONE THAT I THINK THERE
01:07:42 NEEDS TO BE A LOT MORE ATTENTION TO THESE ALTERNATIVE
01:07:45 MEANS AND ALTERNATIVE PROTECTIONS.
01:07:45 AND THEN ALSO THE TERM NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE AND JUST
01:07:49 FOR EVERYONE'S EDUCATION, I WANT TO QUICKLY READ THROUGH
01:07:53 THE 11 VOTING SEATS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THIS ORDINANCE.
01:07:59 SEATS ONE THROUGH SIX BEING APPOINTED BY THE BOARD OF
01:08:00 SUPERVISORS BEING A PROPERTY OWNER SLASH BUILDING MANAGER OF
01:08:04 AN AFFECTED BUILDING. NUMBER TWO A NON-OWNER TENANT.
01:08:07 NUMBER THREE A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION REPRESENTATIVE.
01:08:10 A NUMBER FOR A C 16 FIRE PROTECTION CONTRACTOR.
01:08:14 NUMBER FIVE A CONSTRUCTION PROFESSIONAL GENERAL LABOR OR
01:08:18 SKILLED TRADE? NUMBER SIX AN ARCHITECT OR
01:08:21 STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. AND THEN SEATS SEVEN THROUGH
01:08:25 TEN WHICH ARE APPOINTED FROM THE CORRESPONDING BODY SEVEN
01:08:28 THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE EIGHT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NINE
01:08:31 DEPARTMENT OF BUILDING INSPECTION TEN PUBLIC UTILITIES
01:08:34 COMMISSION AND THEN SEAT 11 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBER OR
01:08:38 DESIGNATED LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANT.
01:08:42 AND I THINK IN WHOLE THAT IS ALL THE RIGHT STAKEHOLDERS TO
01:08:45 GET TOGETHER AND TO MAKE PROGRESS ON THIS.
01:08:49 SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU TO THIS
01:08:50 COMMITTEE FOR HEARING THIS. >> THANK YOU.
01:08:53 SUPERVISOR SEVEN I DEFINITELY AT THE STATE AND I AGAIN
01:08:57 APPRECIATE BOTH SUPERVISOR SOUDER AND SUPERVISOR CHERYL
01:09:01 FOR TRYING TO WORK ON A SOLUTION THAT OF COURSE WOULD
01:09:07 SUPPORT RESIDENTS AND TRY TO ELIMINATE THE HARDSHIPS FOR
01:09:12 SOME PEOPLE. >> I DO BELIEVE ALSO THAT THERE
01:09:16 ARE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WITH PUTTING A SUPERVISOR IN A
01:09:23 BODY LIKE THIS. I AGREE.
01:09:24 YOU'RE HERE TO REPRESENT YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
01:09:27 SUPERVISOR SURE. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE SIX
01:09:29 APPOINTMENTS OR THE BOARD HAS SIX APPOINTMENTS.
01:09:31 YOU ALREADY REPRESENT. >> BUT I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT
01:09:34 CONSTITUENTS FEEL HAVING A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF
01:09:37 SUPERVISORS ON A BODY WHEN THEY AGREE ON SOMETHING IS A GREAT
01:09:41 THING. BUT AS A POLICY IT'S A HORRIBLE
01:09:44 POLICY TO START TO PUT SUPERVISORS ON COMMITTEES THAT
01:09:48 BELONG TO THE RESIDENTS. I JUST I JUST CAN'T ACCEPT
01:09:50 AND UNDERSTAND THAT. >> AND SO THAT ALONE IS A
01:09:56 PROBLEM FOR ME. AND WITH THAT MR. CLERK ON THE
01:10:01 MOTION YES, ON THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND THE MATTER TO THE
01:10:04 FULL BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. VICE CHAIR CHERYL CHERYL I
01:10:09 REMEMBER GENTLEMEN, I MADAM AND I CHAIR WALTON KNOW WELL TO
01:10:13 KNOW THAT MOTION PASSES WITH CHAIR WALTON DISSENTING
01:10:17 COMMITTEE. >> THANK YOU.
01:10:20 MOTION CARRIES MR. CLERK DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE
01:10:25 US THIS MORNING THAT COMPLETES THE AGENDA FOR TODAY.
01:10:28 >> THANK YOU. WE ARE ADJOURNED