00:00:06 . >> GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.
00:00:06 THIS MEETING WILL COME TO ORDER.
00:00:10 WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY
00:00:11 AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES COMMITTEE OF THE SAN FRANCISCO
00:00:14 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THURSDAY, MAY 14TH, 2026.
00:00:17 I'M SUPERVISOR MATT DORSEY, CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE.
00:00:21 I'M JOINED TODAY BY MY FELLOW COMMITTEE MEMBERS, VICE CHAIR
00:00:23 DANNY SORTER AND SUPERVISOR ALAN HUANG.
00:00:25 WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR OUR CLERK TODAY MR. JOHN CARROLL WHOM WE
00:00:30 THANK FOR STAFFING US AND KEEPING US ON TRACK AS
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00:01:38 ITEMS ACTED UPON TODAY ARE EXPECTED TO APPEAR ON THE BOARD
00:01:41 OF SUPERVISORS AGENDA OF JUNE 2ND 2026 UNLESS OTHERWISE
00:01:45 STATED. THANK YOU MR. CLERK WOULD YOU
00:01:49 PLEASE CALL ITEM NUMBER ONE? AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE IS A
00:01:51 HEARING ON THE STATE OF SAN FRANCISCO'S DRUG COURT PROGRAM
00:01:55 INCLUDING AN EXAMINATION OF DIVERSION CRITERIA
00:01:56 AND PRACTICES PROGRAM OUTCOMES AND TERMINATION RATES,
00:02:00 TREATMENT CAPACITY AND ASSOCIATED WAIT TIMES
00:02:03 AND THE PROGRAM'S IMPLICATIONS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND RECOVERY
00:02:07 . >> THANK YOU, MR. CLERK.
00:02:08 AS SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, I CALLED FOR THIS HEARING
00:02:11 FOLLOWING REPORTING BY THE SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE LAST
00:02:13 JANUARY THAT RAISED SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW DRUG COURT
00:02:15 IS FUNCTIONING TODAY. THAT STORY WAS ENTITLED SAN
00:02:19 FRANCISCO DRUG COURT WAS ONCE MEANT FOR MINOR CRIMES.
00:02:23 NOW PEOPLE ACCUSED OF VIOLENT OFFENSES ARE GETTING IN BY
00:02:26 DAVID HERNANDEZ. >> IT DETAILED THE IMPACT OF
00:02:30 DIVERSION, HOW DRAMATICALLY IT HAS EVOLVED IN RECENT YEARS
00:02:33 AND WHETHER THE SYSTEM IS CURRENTLY STRUCTURED IS MEETING
00:02:35 ITS DUAL OBLIGATION IS TO SUPPORT RECOVERY AND PROTECT
00:02:39 PUBLIC SAFETY. I WANT TO BEGIN BY
00:02:42 ACKNOWLEDGING MY OWN PERSPECTIVE IN THIS WHICH IS
00:02:43 PERSONALLY INFORMED AS SOMEONE WHO IS IN RECOVERY FROM DRUG
00:02:47 ADDICTION AND ALCOHOLISM AND WHO GOD WILLING WILL BE FOR
00:02:50 THE REST OF MY LIFE. I BELIEVE STRONGLY IN THE LIFE
00:02:53 SAVING AND LIFE CHANGING POTENTIAL OF INTERVENTIONS THAT
00:02:57 INVOLVE DRUG TREATMENT AND ABSTINENCE BASED RECOVERY.
00:03:00 I HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND HOW PEOPLE CAN FIND SUCCESS AGAINST
00:03:02 EVENLY EVEN THE MOST DAUNTING ODDS WHEN THEY'RE OFFERED
00:03:09 MEANINGFUL OPPORTUNITIES TO STABILIZE AND TO ACCESS
00:03:10 TREATMENT INCLUDING MEDICATION ASSISTED TREATMENT OR MET TO
00:03:14 TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR LIVES AND TO CHANGE FOR THE
00:03:18 BETTER. DRUG COURT SHOULD BE A TICKET
00:03:21 THAT HELPS PEOPLE REBUILD THEIR LIVES.
00:03:22 DRUG COURTS SHOULD NOT BE A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD DONE
00:03:25 RIGHT. IN FACT, DRUG COURT MAY BE ONE
00:03:28 OF THE MOST IMPORTANT AND EFFECTIVE TOOLS AVAILABLE
00:03:29 TO US IN A DRUG CRISIS THAT SYNTHETIC DRUGS HAVE MADE
00:03:33 DEADLIER THAN EVER BEFORE. IF WE ARE GOING TO ASK THE
00:03:37 PUBLIC TO CONTINUE PLACING CONFIDENCE IN THIS SYSTEM,
00:03:40 HOWEVER, WE ALSO HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO HONESTLY EVALUATE
00:03:44 WHETHER IT IS OPERATING EFFECTIVELY AND WHETHER IT IS
00:03:45 APPROPRIATELY SCOPED AND WHETHER IT IS PRODUCING THE
00:03:49 OUTCOMES WE INTEND. ACCORDING TO DATA CITED BY THE
00:03:52 CHRONICLE DRUG COURT REFERRALS AND ADMISSIONS HAVE INCREASED
00:03:55 DRAMATICALLY IN RECENT YEARS WITH ADMISSIONS INCREASING FROM
00:03:59 ROUGHLY 180 CASES IN 2023 TO MORE THAN 600 IN 2025.
00:04:02 AT THE SAME TIME, THE MAKEUP OF THE PROGRAM APPEARS TO HAVE
00:04:06 SHIFTED SIGNIFICANTLY. EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THAT MENTAL
00:04:09 HEALTH DIVERSION REFERRALS UNDER CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE
00:04:16 SECTION 1,001.36 NOW MAKE UP THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF
00:04:17 DRUG COURT ADMISSIONS REPORTEDLY MORE THAN 90%
00:04:20 IN 2025. >> AND UNLIKE THE ORIGINAL DRUG
00:04:24 COURT FRAMEWORK WHICH WAS DESIGNED PRIMARILY FOR LOW
00:04:28 LEVEL ADDICTION DRIVEN OFFENSES AND GENERALLY EXCLUDED VIOLENT
00:04:29 CRIMES, THE CURRENT SYSTEM HAS INCREASINGLY INCLUDED
00:04:32 DEFENDANTS CHARGED WITH OFFENSES SUCH AS ATTEMPTED
00:04:36 MURDER, ARMED ROBBERY, ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON AND OTHER
00:04:39 SERIOUS VIOLENT CONDUCT. >> NOW TO BE CLEAR, THE
00:04:43 EXISTENCE OF VIOLENT CHARGES ALONE DOES NOT AND SHOULD NOT
00:04:47 AUTOMATICALLY MEAN SOMEONE IS BEYOND TREATMENT OR
00:04:48 REHABILITATION IN FACT. SOME OF THE ACADEMIC RESEARCH
00:04:51 WE REVIEWED IN PREPARATION FOR THIS HEARING SUGGESTS THAT
00:04:55 CERTAIN DRUG COURT MODELS CAN REDUCE RECIDIVISM AMONG BOTH
00:04:59 VIOLENT AND NONVIOLENT OFFENDERS WHEN PROPERLY
00:05:00 STRUCTURED. BUT THE SAME BODY OF RESEARCH
00:05:04 ALSO SUGGESTS THAT OUTCOMES MAY WORSEN FOR CERTAIN HIGH RISK
00:05:07 POPULATIONS INCLUDING INDIVIDUALS WITH EXTENSIVE
00:05:11 PRIOR CONVICTIONS. >> THAT TELLS US OR SHOULD THAT
00:05:14 WE NEED A MUCH MORE NUANCED CONVERSATION ABOUT ELIGIBILITY
00:05:15 SCREENING SUPERVISION AND TREATMENT CAPACITY
00:05:19 AND OUTCOMES MEASUREMENT. BECAUSE ANOTHER ISSUE
00:05:20 HIGHLIGHTED IN THE REPORTING IS THAT OUR SYSTEM APPEARS TO BE
00:05:23 UNDER SIGNIFICANT STRAIN. WE ARE HEARING REPORTS OF
00:05:26 DEFENDANTS WAITING MONTHS IN JAIL FOR TREATMENT
00:05:28 PLACEMENTS BECAUSE CAPACITY IS INSUFFICIENT TO MEET THE
00:05:31 DEMAND. WE'RE ALSO SEEING TROUBLING
00:05:33 COMPLETION NUMBERS. IN 2024 THERE WERE REPORTEDLY
00:05:37 134 PROGRAM GRADUATIONS COMPARED TO 259 TERMINATIONS
00:05:41 BACK INTO CRIMINAL COURT. AND PERHAPS MOST CONCERNING
00:05:44 MULTIPLE AGENCIES HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED LIMITATIONS IN OUR
00:05:47 ABILITY TO RIGOROUSLY TRACK LONG TERM RECIDIVISM
00:05:49 AND OUTCOMES. >> IF WE CAN'T RELIABLY MEASURE
00:05:52 OUTCOMES THEN IT BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT TO EVALUATE WHETHER
00:05:55 THE PROGRAM IS SUCCEEDING WHERE IT IS FAILING AND WHAT REFORMS
00:05:58 MAY BE NECESSARY. THIS HEARING IS ABOUT OVERSIGHT
00:06:02 . IT'S ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.
00:06:03 IT IS ABOUT ENSURING THAT SAN FRANCISCO HAS A DRUG COURT
00:06:06 SYSTEM THAT ACTUALLY WORKS FOR ITS PARTICIPANTS, FOR THEIR
00:06:10 FAMILIES AND LOVED ONES, FOR CRIME VICTIMS, FOR VICTIMIZED
00:06:12 NEIGHBORHOODS AND FOR PUBLIC SAFETY IN OUR CITY.
00:06:15 AND NOW I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR SPEAKERS TODAY.
00:06:19 WE ARE JOINED BY SAN FRANCISCO DISTRICT ATTORNEY BROOKE
00:06:20 JENKINS AND FROM THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE AARON MORGAN
00:06:23 WHO IS DEPUTY PUBLIC DEFENDER AND ANITA INABA, THE FELONY
00:06:27 MANAGER. AND LASTLY WE HAVE DIRECTOR DAN
00:06:31 SIMON AND JOSE LUIS GUZMAN FROM THE DEPARTMENT BOTH FROM THE
00:06:34 DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH. >> AND MR. GUZMAN IS THE
00:06:38 DIRECTOR OF THE COLLABORATIVE COURT PROGRAMS FOR THE ORDER OF
00:06:41 OPERATIONS. >> IF WE CAN PLEASE START WITH
00:06:42 DISTRICT ATTORNEY JENKINS FOLLOWED BY THE PUBLIC
00:06:45 DEFENDER'S OFFICE AND THEN WE'LL CONCLUDE PRESENTATIONS
00:06:47 WITH EACH. AND WE'LL RESERVE QUESTIONS IF
00:06:49 THAT'S OKAY WITH MY COLLEAGUES FOR THE END OF THE PRESENTATION
00:06:52 . MADAM DISTRICT ATTORNEY,
00:06:53 WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
00:06:56 >> THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU SUPERVISOR DORSEY
00:06:58 AND I APPRECIATE THE BOARD'S INTEREST IN THIS PARTICULAR
00:07:02 MATTER. I WANT TO START BY GOING BACK
00:07:05 IN TIME A BIT AND REALLY EXPRESSING MY SUPPORT FOR THE
00:07:09 DRUG COURT PROGRAM. >> THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT I
00:07:14 HAVE REFERRED COUNTLESS DEFENDANTS AND OFFENDERS TO
00:07:17 OVER THE COURSE OF MY TIME AS A LINE ATTORNEY WHO WAS HANDLING
00:07:21 CASES. IT IS ONE THAT I BELIEVED WAS
00:07:24 AN APPROPRIATE MODEL AND A MODEL FOR THE COUNTRY THAT WE
00:07:28 WERE MAKING AN INVESTMENT IN ENSURING THAT LOW LEVEL
00:07:31 OFFENDERS WHO WERE SUFFERING FROM ADDICTION HAD THE
00:07:34 OPPORTUNITY TO NOT ONLY ENGAGE IN TREATMENT BUT EARN THE
00:07:38 ABILITY TO KEEP THEIR RECORDS CLEAN OF A CONVICTION ONCE THEY
00:07:42 COMPLETED DRUG COURT SUCCESS FULLY.
00:07:46 IT IS ONE THAT WAS HISTORICALLY JUST FOR EVERYONE'S EDIFICATION
00:07:50 SOMETHING THAT WAS GROUNDED IN AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN MY
00:07:54 OFFICE UNDER DISTRICT ATTORNEY GEORGE GASCON UNDER THE PUBLIC
00:08:00 DEFENDER'S OFFICE WHO AT THAT TIME WAS LED BY JEFF ADACHI
00:08:02 AND THE COURTS JEFF ADACHI AND GEORGE GASCON SIGNED AN MOU
00:08:09 ALONG WITH THE COURTS AGREEING TO A SET OF CRITERIA FOR WHICH
00:08:13 BOTH OFFICES AGREED THAT CERTAIN CRIMES AND CERTAIN
00:08:18 OFFENDERS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR DRUG COURT AND IDENTIFYING A
00:08:24 SET OF EXCLUSIONARY CATEGORIES FOR THOSE THAT THEY DID NOT
00:08:26 BELIEVE WERE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PARTICULAR COURT.
00:08:32 >> THAT WAS AGAIN LARGELY DRIVEN BY A DESIRE TO ENSURE
00:08:37 THAT THE RIGHT PEOPLE WERE CHOSEN FOR THIS PROGRAM WHO
00:08:41 THEY BELIEVED COULD BE SERVED BY THIS PROGRAM AND THAT WE
00:08:44 WERE STILL ABLE TO ENSURE THAT PUBLIC SAFETY WAS PARAMOUNT
00:08:48 AND WAS PROTECTED FOR THOSE WHO THEY DID NOT BELIEVE BELONGED
00:08:52 IN DRUG COURT. >> FOR MANY YEARS BOTH OFFICES
00:08:56 FUNCTIONED AS WELL AS THE COURT WITH THAT AGREEMENT.
00:09:00 AND LET ME BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT CONDEMNING THOSE
00:09:03 WHO SOMETIMES MAY RELAPSED THAT IS A PART OF RECOVERY.
00:09:07 AND THANKFULLY THE TEAMS THAT WERE INVOLVED FROM BOTH OFFICES
00:09:11 AS WELL AS THE COURT AND PUBLIC HEALTH UNDERSTOOD THAT
00:09:13 SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL FALL OFF THE WAGON AND WE HAVE TO GET
00:09:16 THEM BACK ON. SOMETIMES WE ASSIGN THEM TO A
00:09:19 PROGRAM THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR THEM AND WE HAVE TO FIND A
00:09:22 DIFFERENT ONE THAT'S MORE SUITABLE.
00:09:23 >> SO THIS IS NOT ABOUT NOT THIS IS NOT ABOUT A LACK OF
00:09:30 COMPASSION FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY STRUGGLE TO COMPLETE DRUG COURT
00:09:34 BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT IT IS DIFFICULT.
00:09:35 BUT THIS IS ABOUT THE ABUSE OF THE MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION
00:09:39 STATUTE AND THE WAY THAT IT IS BEING ABUSED THROUGH ALLOWING
00:09:45 IN A LARGE INFLUX OF DEFENDANTS WHO DO NOT MEET THE CRITERIA
00:09:49 FOR DRUG COURT TO BE ALLOWED INTO THIS COLLABORATIVE COURT.
00:09:53 IT IS ESSENTIALLY BECOME AN END RUN AROUND THE MOU THAT WAS
00:09:57 SIGNED BY THE TWO OFFICES AND THE COURT ALLOWING NOW
00:10:01 VIOLENT AND DANGEROUS OFFENDERS INTO THE COURT SCALING UP IN A
00:10:08 MANNER THAT I BELIEVE IS DESTRUCTIVE TO THE PROGRAM
00:10:12 AND IT HAS PROVEN THAT IT IS REDUCING ITS EFFECTIVENESS
00:10:15 AND HAS CONSIDERABLE IMPLICATIONS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY
00:10:16 WHICH IS OF PARAMOUNT CONCERN TO ME.
00:10:20 AND WHEN WE ARE INVESTING TAX DOLLARS AND RESOURCES INTO A
00:10:24 PROGRAM, I THINK THE THE TAXPAYERS IN THIS CITY ARE
00:10:28 ENTITLED TO HAVE PROGRAMS BE EFFECTIVE AND ARE ENTITLED TO
00:10:32 HAVE US LOOK OUT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
00:10:34 SO THE EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT DRUG COURT HAS SHIFTED FROM A SMALL
00:10:39 MOU BOUND VOLUNTARY PROGRAM FOR LOW LEVEL DRIVEN ADDICTION
00:10:44 DRIVEN OFFENSES INTO A HIGH VOLUME PIPELINE DOMINATED BY
00:10:47 MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION ADMISSIONS MANY OF WHICH WOULD
00:10:51 NOT HAVE QUALIFIED UNDER THE ORIGINAL ORIGINAL DRUG COURT
00:10:55 ELIGIBILITY RULES. >> SO THAT IS MY CONCERN.
00:10:59 DRUG COURT, AS I SAID WAS ESTABLISHED MANY YEARS AGO WAS
00:11:03 ESTABLISHED IN 1995. BUT MORE RECENTLY AS I SAID
00:11:08 UNDER THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION WAS OF GASCON
00:11:12 THERE WERE AGREEMENTS ABOUT WHAT THE SCOPE OF IT WAS
00:11:19 IN 2018, STATE LAW ALLOWED DEFENSE ATTORNEYS TO ASK JUDGES
00:11:23 FOR DRUG COURT DIVERSION EVEN IF PROSECUTORS OBJECTED
00:11:27 AND OPENED D TO DEFENDANTS ACCUSED OF VIOLENT CRIME EVEN
00:11:31 IF THEY HAVE A VIOLENT CRIME, IF THEY HAVE A QUALIFYING
00:11:35 MENTAL HEALTH OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE DIAGNOSIS ONLY NARROW
00:11:42 BARS SO EXCLUSIONS APPLY TO MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION MURDER,
00:11:47 VOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER, SEX CRIMES, DUI, WEAPONS OF MASS
00:11:50 DESTRUCTION. >> BUT EVERYTHING SHORT OF
00:11:54 ATTEMPTED MURDER IS ALLOWED INTO MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION
00:11:58 SHORT OF AND INCLUDING ATTEMPTED MURDER I SHOULD SAY.
00:12:02 >> COURT DATA SHOWS THAT THE CASES THAT HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED
00:12:06 TO DRUG COURT ARE RISING AND RISING QUICKLY IN 2022 THE
00:12:13 MATCHED CASES REFERRED TO DRUG COURT REPRESENTED ABOUT 12% OF
00:12:19 THE DRUG COURT CASES. >> NOW IT IS ABOUT 91%.
00:12:26 THOSE REFERRALS HAVE RISEN FROM FROM DRAMATICALLY OVER JUST
00:12:30 THOSE LAST FOUR YEARS. DEFENSE ATTORNEYS HAVE MOVED TO
00:12:34 DIVERT CASES INTO DRUG COURT 500 AND 16 TIMES IN 2023
00:12:45 AND NOW 1909 TIMES IN THE FIRST TEN MONTHS OF 2025.
00:12:48 I DON'T EVEN HAVE THE LATEST DATA.
00:12:49 THAT'S THE LAST DATA THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US.
00:12:53 BUT THAT IS TRIPLE THE LEVEL OF REFERRALS BY REFERRAL REQUESTS
00:13:00 BY DEFENSE ATTORNEYS IN ONLY TWO YEARS.
00:13:04 SUCCESSFUL ADMISSIONS IS SO THE COURT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO ENTER
00:13:09 DRUG COURT THROUGH M H D ROSE FROM 180 TO 608 CASES IN JUST
00:13:19 THAT TIME FRAME INCLUDING CHARGES OF ATTEMPTED MURDER,
00:13:26 ARMED ROBBERY AND ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON CHARGES THAT
00:13:30 WERE NEVER ALLOWED TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR DRUG COURT.
00:13:33 >> AGAIN, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I AM SAYING THESE ARE
00:13:35 INDIVIDUALS WHO WE MAY NOT CONSIDER FOR A TREATMENT TYPE
00:13:41 RESOLUTION. DRUG COURT IS ONLY ONE AVENUE
00:13:44 SO I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT AND MAKE SURE THERE IS NO
00:13:46 CONFUSION. DRUG COURT IS A DIVERSIONARY
00:13:50 COURT THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM MY OFFICE DECIDING THAT IF
00:13:53 SOMEBODY CHARGED WITH A FELONY DESERVES THE ABILITY TO GO TO
00:13:58 TREATMENT TO RESOLVE THEIR CASE IN LIEU OF CUSTODY TIME THAT WE
00:14:02 STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT IN A MORE STRUCTURED
00:14:06 AND SUPERVISED MANNER. >> WE WE WILL MOST OFTEN ASK
00:14:09 IN THOSE SERIOUS CASES THAT THE INDIVIDUAL PLEAD GUILTY TO A
00:14:13 CERTAIN CRIME SO THAT THAT IS REFLECTED ON THEIR RECORD.
00:14:19 >> BUT IT IS OFTEN OFFERED TREATMENT IS OFFERED IN LIEU OF
00:14:23 JAIL OR PRISON TIME. >> THE SUPERIOR COURTS OWN
00:14:27 COLLABORATIVE COURTS DATA FOR DRUG COURT SHOWS THAT CLIENT
00:14:31 SERVED JUMPED FROM 203 IN 20 23 TO 370 8 IN 20 24 TO 780 5
00:14:40 IN 2025. WHILE INMATES D CLIENTS SERVED
00:14:44 ROSE FROM 433 IN 20 23 TO 5 70 IN 2024 AND 720 IN 2025
00:14:52 REPORTING INDICATES THAT SOME ADMITTED DEFENDANTS WAIT 1 TO 4
00:15:00 MONTHS IN JAIL BEFORE BEING PLACED IN TREATMENT.
00:15:03 BECAUSE WE HAVE ALLOWED MORE PEOPLE THAN WE HAVE CAPACITY
00:15:04 FOR TO ENTER THIS PROGRAM FOR EXAMPLE IS WHERE I WANT TO
00:15:15 OFFER SOME EXAMPLES WHERE INMATE D VIA DRUG COURT WAS
00:15:18 GRANTED IN CASES WHICH WERE ONE IN ELIGIBLE FOR REGULAR DRUG
00:15:21 COURT UNDER THE AGREED UPON GUIDELINE AND TO REPRESENT
00:15:25 EGREGIOUS EXAMPLES OF CASES THAT WERE ALLOWED.
00:15:30 THE EXAMPLES INCLUDE ROAD RAGE SHOOTINGS, A GANG RELATED
00:15:34 SHOOTING THAT WOUNDED A VICTIM IN BOTH LEGS A FIRING INTO AN
00:15:37 OCCUPIED BUS, A WATSON MURDER THAT MEANS A DUI WHERE SOMEBODY
00:15:45 HAS BEEN ADVISED DURING A PRIOR DUI CONVICTION THAT IF THEY
00:15:49 SHOULD DRIVE UNDER THE INFLUENCE AND KILL SOMEONE THAT
00:15:52 THEY COULD BE CHARGED WITH MURDER.
00:15:55 SO A WATSON MURDER HIT AND RUN PEDESTRIAN DEATH IN A REPEAT
00:16:00 RESIDENTIAL HOT PROWL BURGLARY CASE WHERE MOTIONS TO TERMINATE
00:16:04 INMATES WERE DENIED AND NEW INMATE PETITIONS WERE GRANTED.
00:16:08 SO THAT IS A PERSON WHO REPEATEDLY ABSCONDED FROM THEIR
00:16:15 PROGRAM AND WENT OUT AND COMMITTED FURTHER
00:16:18 RESIDENTIAL BURGLARIES. >> HOT PROWL MEANS THAT SOMEONE
00:16:19 WAS HOME AT THE TIME OF THE BURGLARY.
00:16:22 >> SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE WHO VIOLATED THE TERMS
00:16:26 OF DRUG COURT ABSCONDED RE-OFFEND, OFFENDED AND NOT
00:16:30 ONLY WHAT MULTIPLE TIMES AND THEN WAS ALLOWED BACK
00:16:33 IN NOT ONLY ON THE ORIGINAL CASE BUT NOW WAS GRANTED NEW
00:16:38 TWO GRANTS OF DRUG COURT UNDER THAT FOR THE TWO NEW CASES THAT
00:16:42 WERE PICKED UP. >> THESE ARE SERIOUS CRIMES
00:16:48 AND AGAIN THAT REQUIRE MORE SUPERVISION AND FOR THE
00:16:53 INDIVIDUAL THAT IS THAT IS THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH AND THAT
00:16:57 SHOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR DRUG COURT AT ALL.
00:17:08 >> ALL OF THESE CASES WERE ADMITTED OVER THE OBJECTION OF
00:17:12 MY OFFICE. >> THIS PATTERN OF ABUSE HAS,
00:17:19 AS I SAID, WATERED DOWN THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THIS COURT HAS
00:17:23 SCALED IT UP IN A MANNER THAT THE PROVIDERS CAN NOT KEEP UP
00:17:27 WITH THAT CASE MANAGERS. NOW DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO
00:17:32 KEEP UP WITH AND AGAIN WE HAVE SEEN AS A RESULT MORE
00:17:36 TERMINATIONS AND FEWER SUCCESSFUL COMPLETIONS OF DRUG
00:17:40 COURT. SINCE THIS RAPID INCREASE UP
00:17:46 THE DATA SHOWS THAT DRUG COURT PARTICIPANTS WERE SENT BACK TO
00:17:54 CRIMINAL COURT MORE OR MORE OF THE PARTICIPANTS WERE SENT BACK
00:17:58 TO CRIMINAL COURT THAN THOSE WHO HAVE GRADUATED IN EACH OF
00:18:02 THE LAST THREE YEARS. >> IN 2024 THERE WERE 134
00:18:07 COMPLETIONS VERSUS 259 TERMINATIONS FROM DRUG COURT
00:18:16 THE SUPERIOR COURTS DATA FROM 2021 TO 2025 SHOWS THAT DRUG
00:18:23 COURT GRADUATIONS WHILE THEY'VE INCREASED BY NUMBER THAT IS
00:18:28 BECAUSE OF COURSE THE VOLUME HAS GROWN THAT TERMINATIONS
00:18:31 HAVE OUTPACED THAT INCREASE. >> THE SYSTEMS STRESS IS NOW
00:18:39 VISIBLE. >> WE HAVE HAD AN INSTANCE IS
00:18:46 IN COURT WHERE THE JAIL BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES
00:18:50 STAFF HAS BEEN UNABLE TO SHOW UP TO COURT WHERE THEY HAVE
00:18:54 EXPRESSED THAT THEY ARE OVERWHELMED BY THE NUMBER OF
00:18:57 CLIENTS THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO SERVE AGAIN WHICH SCALED UP BY
00:19:01 THE HUNDREDS OVERNIGHT. >> AND NOW WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS
00:19:06 SOMETHING ELSE THAT I THINK IS VERY RELEVANT.
00:19:09 I HAVE OFTEN BEEN HIGHLIGHTED IN THE NEWS FOR CHALLENGING
00:19:13 AND DISQUALIFIED JUDGES FROM HEARING CERTAIN CASES INVOLVING
00:19:20 MY OFFICE. BUT ONE THING STANDS OUT TO ME
00:19:23 THAT HAS NOT BEEN REPORTED ON VERY MUCH WHICH IS THAT
00:19:27 RECENTLY THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE JUDGE WHO WAS OVERSEEING
00:19:31 DRUG COURT WHO HAD ALLOWED MOST OF THIS WHAT I WILL CALL
00:19:35 MADNESS TO OCCUR. AND THAT IS JUDGE MICHAEL
00:19:39 BECKER. JUDGE MICHAEL BECKER WAS BOTH
00:19:42 ONE OF THE JUDGES OVERSEEING MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION
00:19:43 AND ALSO THE JUDGE OVERSEEING DRUG COURT.
00:19:46 SO HE WAS THE PERSON MOSTLY ALLOWING THIS END RUN TO HAPPEN
00:19:50 BECAUSE HE WAS OVERSEEING BOTH COURTS.
00:19:54 >> RECENTLY THERE WAS A CHANGE IN JUDICIAL ASSIGNMENT.
00:19:57 >> JUDGE BECKER WAS PUT BACK INTO A TRIAL COURT.
00:20:01 >> AND JUDGE MERLIN RANDALL WAS ASSIGNED TO OVERSEE DRUG COURT
00:20:05 AND TAKE OVER THAT ASSIGNMENT OF PARTIALLY ALSO HEARING CASES
00:20:13 TO THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE.
00:20:14 >> SINCE THEN AFTER JUDGE RANDALL EXPRESSED THAT SHE WAS
00:20:18 NOT GOING TO BE AS LIBERAL IN ALLOWING THIS ABUSE OF THE
00:20:22 STATUTE HAS FILED AT LEAST 70 PEREMPTORY CHALLENGES TO
00:20:28 DISQUALIFY JUDGE RANDALL FROM HEARING MHC AND DRUG COURT
00:20:32 CASES. I WAS INFORMED THIS WEEK THAT
00:20:37 THE COURT HAS SHARED THEIR INTENTION TO REMOVE JUDGE
00:20:40 RANDALL NOW FROM THAT ASSIGNMENT.
00:20:41 >> AS A RESULT. AND SO I THINK IT IS CLEAR THAT
00:20:47 THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE NOW EXPECTS THE COURT TO NO
00:20:51 LONGER HONOR THE THE MOU THAT ALL OF US AGREED TO MANY YEARS
00:20:56 AGO THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DEMAND THAT THIS ABUSE OF THE
00:20:59 STATUTE AND THE MOU CONTINUE. >> AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THEIR
00:21:06 JOB IS TO REPRESENT THEIR CLIENTS AND ONLY THE INTEREST
00:21:10 OF THEIR CLIENTS SOLELY THAT IS THEIR ETHICAL OBLIGATION.
00:21:11 >> BUT FOR MY OFFICE WE HAVE MULTIPLE OBLIGATIONS.
00:21:18 OUR OBLIGATION IS TO ENSURE JUSTICE FOR OUR VICTIMS IS TO
00:21:22 ENSURE FAIRNESS TO OUR DEFENDANTS THAT WE PROSECUTE
00:21:26 AND IT IS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT OVERALL PUBLIC SAFETY.
00:21:30 AND SO WHEN WE ARE MAKING THESE DECISIONS, WHEN WE ARE
00:21:33 OBJECTING TO VIOLENT OFFENDERS GOING INTO THIS TYPE OF
00:21:37 PROGRAM, IT IS BECAUSE WE ARE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ALL THREE
00:21:41 OF THOSE VERY IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE HAVE A DUTY TO LOOK OUT
00:21:45 FOR. IN MY OPINION THE COURT HAS THE
00:21:48 SAME OBLIGATION THEY HAVE TO ENSURE FAIRNESS AND EQUITY TO
00:21:52 THOSE WHO ARE CHARGED. THEY HAVE TO ENSURE THAT EACH
00:21:56 SIDE IN A CASE HAS A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD
00:22:00 AND THEY DO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT
00:22:04 PUBLIC SAFETY IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN EVERY DECISION THAT
00:22:07 THEY MAKE. AND SO I WANTED TO CALL
00:22:08 ATTENTION TO THIS ISSUE BECAUSE AS THESE ABUSES CONTINUE, WE'RE
00:22:12 GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE PEOPLE ON OUR STREETS SUFFERING
00:22:15 FROM ADDICTION ROTATING IN AND OUT OF THE COURTHOUSE LIKE A
00:22:19 REVOLVING DOOR. WE ARE NOT DOING WHAT IS RIGHT
00:22:23 BY THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM INTO RECOVERY SO THAT THEY CAN
00:22:27 STOP DESTROYING THEIR OWN LIVES AND VICTIMIZING OTHERS.
00:22:34 AND IT PUTS OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AT STAKE.
00:22:37 >> IT TRULY DOES. IF WE CAN'T FOLLOW OUR OWN
00:22:42 RULES THAT WE HAVE SET FOR OURSELVES, HOW CAN WE EXPECT
00:22:43 ANYONE ELSE TO FOLLOW THE RULES THAT ARE SET FOR THEM?
00:22:46 THAT WE WORK EVERY DAY TO ENFORCE.
00:22:50 AND SO I APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST IN THIS.
00:22:53 I DO WANT TO SEE PEOPLE GET INTO RECOVERY.
00:22:55 I WANT TO SEE THEM BE SUCCESSFUL.
00:22:57 I WANT THIS PROGRAM TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
00:23:01 BUT IT REQUIRES THAT ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO PLAY A PART IN IT
00:23:04 ARE HONEST ABOUT WHAT IT WHAT IT NEEDS IN ORDER TO BE
00:23:08 SUCCESSFUL. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY
00:23:12 ALL WE ARE DOING IS CREATING MORE VICTIMIZATION AND MORE
00:23:16 CASES QUITE FRANKLY FOR THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE AND MY
00:23:17 OFFICE. IF PEOPLE CONTENT CONTINUE TO
00:23:20 RE-OFFEND DAY IN AND DAY OUT AND HAVE THIS THIS COURT DO
00:23:24 NOTHING FOR THEM. >> THANK YOU.
00:23:27 I WILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GO NEXT
00:23:31 TO THE PUBLIC DEFENDERS AND I KNOW THAT DIRECTOR CY HAS A HAS
00:23:35 TO LEAVE SHORTLY AFTER 11 SO WE'LL GET THROUGH ALL OF THE
00:23:39 PRESENTATION FIRST. >> THANK YOU.
00:23:42 GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS AARON MORGAN AND I
00:23:46 AM A DEPUTY PUBLIC DEFENDER. I AM CURRENTLY STAFFING THE
00:23:50 DRUG COURT AND I HAVE BEEN IN THIS ROLE FOR OVER THREE
00:23:53 MONTHS. SO I WAS THERE WHEN JUDGE
00:23:57 MARLENE RANDALL WAS THERE AND I AM THERE NOW THAT JUDGE RANDALL
00:24:01 IS CONTINUING ON IN A DIFFERENT POSITION.
00:24:02 >> I WILL BRIEFLY DISCUSS THE PRACTICE AND PROCESS OF DRUG
00:24:05 COURT SO WE ALL HAVE A BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THAT
00:24:09 WORKS. >> THEN OUR MANAGING ATTORNEY
00:24:12 ANITA NABA WILL SPEAK TO BROADER TRENDS AND SHARE SOME
00:24:17 RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A BETTER IMPACT DRUG COURT.
00:24:21 >> I SAID EARLIER IS ONE OF THE SAN FRANCISCO COLLABORATIVE
00:24:24 COURTS. ITS MISSION IS TO CONNECT
00:24:25 DEFENDANTS WHO SUFFER FROM SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS TO
00:24:29 SERVICES IN THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS DESIGNED TO ENHANCE
00:24:32 PUBLIC SAFETY, REDUCE RECIDIVISM AND TO FIND
00:24:36 APPROPRIATE CRIMINAL DISPOSITIONS.
00:24:37 DRUG COURT IS WORKING EFFECTIVELY AND DOES IN FACT
00:24:40 SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY AND SAFETY IN THE COMMUNITY.
00:24:44 >> ACCOUNTABILITY IS BUILT INTO THIS SYSTEM.
00:24:48 EACH INDIVIDUAL MUST ACTIVELY ENGAGE IN THEIR TREATMENT.
00:24:52 >> EACH PARTICIPANT HAS A CASE MANAGER.
00:24:56 THIS CASE MANAGER ASSESSES THE PARTICIPANT USING STANDARDS
00:25:00 LIKE THE EXAM AND THEN RECOMMEND A TREATMENT LEVEL
00:25:04 SUCH AS LOW INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL HIGH AND I'M SORRY
00:25:08 IT'S HIGH INTENSITY OUTPATIENT TREATMENT AND THEN THE
00:25:12 TREATMENT. THE PARTICIPANT MUST THEN
00:25:13 FOLLOW THAT TREATMENT. >> THE COURT HOLDS THIS
00:25:16 PARTICIPANT ACCOUNTABLE FOR PROGRESS TOWARDS COMPLETION OF
00:25:20 THIS PLAN. IF A PARTICIPANT HAS SAN
00:25:24 FRANCISCO MEDI-CAL LIKE MANY DO THEN THEY ARE ASSIGNED A CASE
00:25:27 MANAGER FROM THE SAN FRANCISCO DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH.
00:25:33 >> THIS PROGRAM HAS FOUR PHASES A PARTICIPANT WILL ENTER
00:25:37 AND PHASE ONE. AND IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE
00:25:41 THEY MUST GO TO AT LEAST 3 TO 4 WEEKLY GROUP MEETINGS.
00:25:46 THEY MUST MEET INDIVIDUALLY WITH THEIR CASE MANAGER.
00:25:50 THEY MUST PROVIDE TWO URINALS THIS TEST AND IN ORDER TO
00:25:53 GRADUATE TO A DIFFERENT PHASE THEY MUST SUBMIT A WRITTEN
00:25:57 APPLICATION THAT IS PAGES LONG AND PART OF THAT APPLICATION.
00:26:00 THEY MUST THEY MUST ATTEST AND IT IS ALSO SIGNED OFF ON
00:26:08 THAT THIS PERSON IS TESTED CLEAN FOR LONGER THAN 60 DAYS.
00:26:11 SO THIS IS NOT A LATE PROGRAM. THIS IS A RIGOROUS PROGRAM.
00:26:16 WE AS STRATEGIC PARTNERS DO COME TOGETHER AND DISCUSS EVERY
00:26:20 CASE OF CASE CONFERENCING. WE DISCUSS HOW PEOPLE ARE DOING
00:26:24 AND THEY MUST IN FACT ATTEST TO THEIR CHALLENGES AND SUCCESSES
00:26:28 BEFORE THE COURT. >> MANY OF OUR CLIENTS WHO ARE
00:26:35 ESPECIALLY IN CUSTODY CLIENTS HAVE RECEIVED CREDIT FOR TIME
00:26:39 SERVED OFFERS. HOWEVER, THEY ARE SHOWING THEIR
00:26:42 COMMITMENT TO CHANGE BY WAITING IN CUSTODY.
00:26:44 MANY WEEKS FOR AVAILABLE TREATMENT BEDS AND THINGS LIKE
00:26:51 THAT. SO IF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
00:26:52 AT ALL WANTS TO SUPPORT THIS PROGRAM, WE CAN DO IT BY
00:26:56 EXPANDING DRUG COURT CAPABILITIES.
00:26:59 >> ONE SUCH CLIENT DID HAVE THIS OFFER AND INSTEAD CHOSE TO
00:27:03 REMAIN IN CUSTODY BECAUSE HE KNOWS THAT TREATMENT WILL MAKE
00:27:07 HIM A BETTER CO-PARENT AND WILL GIVE HIS CHILDREN A BETTER
00:27:10 FUTURE. WE DO HAVE OUT OF CUSTODY
00:27:11 CLIENTS WHO ARE ENGAGED IN THE PROGRAM WHO HAVE EARNED THEIR
00:27:15 WAY INTO RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT AND ARE ENGAGING WELL
00:27:18 IN RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT. ONE SUCH CLIENT IS IN A LOCAL
00:27:22 PROGRAM HE HAS BEEN FOR MONTHS. HE'S ON HOME DETENTION THERE
00:27:27 WHERE HE'S MONITORED BY THE SHERIFF.
00:27:30 HE HAS HAD EXCELLENT REPORTS. HE HAD COME IN MOST RECENTLY
00:27:34 AND SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR A CARVE OUT WHICH WAS SUPPORTED
00:27:38 BY HIS CASE MANAGER FOR ONE DAY SO THAT HE COULD GO AND ATTEND
00:27:42 HIS FIRST A.A. CONVENTION IN SACRAMENTO.
00:27:45 HE ATTENDED THE CONVENTION AND HE MET PEOPLE THERE
00:27:49 AND HE'S HELPING TO BUILD HIS SOBER SUPPORT NETWORK.
00:27:53 THIS WAS SUPPORTED BY THE JUDGES, WAS SUPPORTED BY THE
00:27:54 STRATEGIC PARTNERS AND IT WAS EFFECTIVE.
00:27:57 OUR CLIENT HE CAME BACK TO COURT AND HAD EXCELLENT REPORTS
00:28:00 ABOUT HIS FIRST CONVENTION. >> THIS IS ALL POSSIBLE THROUGH
00:28:04 THE PARTNERS COMING TOGETHER AND THROUGH THE IMMENSE EFFORT
00:28:11 OF THE DRUG COURT TEAM MANY OF WHICH IS DUE TO THE SAN
00:28:15 FRANCISCO DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH AS WELL AS THE SUPERIOR
00:28:19 COURT. >> THESE STAFF MEMBERS
00:28:22 LITERALLY CHEER ON EVERY PARTICIPANT THROUGH EACH PHASE
00:28:26 UP. PEOPLE ARE GIVEN INCENTIVES FOR
00:28:28 FOR COMPLETION AND REALLY BUILD AND SEE WHAT A SUPPORTIVE
00:28:34 COMMUNITY THEY CAN HAVE. AND GRADUATIONS ARE VERY
00:28:38 IMPORTANT TIMES IN PEOPLE'S LIVES.
00:28:39 THERE'S OFTEN TEARS AND THERE'S A LOT OF SUCCESS AND JOY AND I
00:28:43 HAVE TO SAY A LOT OF OUR PARTICIPANTS ARE ABLE TO APPEAR
00:28:49 THROUGH ALTERNATIVE MEASURES SUCH AS ZOOM BECAUSE IT IMPLIES
00:28:54 THAT THEY ARE DOING WELL AND THEY'VE SUCCEEDED.
00:28:55 THEY ARE ENGAGED IN WORK AND HAVE DIFFICULTY MISSING
00:28:59 WORK TO ATTEND COURT BUT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S THEIR
00:29:01 OBLIGATION. SO THIS PROGRAM IS VERY
00:29:03 SUCCESSFUL. IT DOES SUPPORT SAFETY IN THE
00:29:06 COMMUNITY AND IF ANYTHING IT SHOULD BE EXPANDED UPON.
00:29:09 >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.
00:29:13 GOOD MORNING SUPERVISORS. MY NAME IS ANITA NABIL.
00:29:18 I'M AN ATTORNEY AT THE SAN FRANCISCO PUBLIC DEFENDER'S
00:29:21 OFFICE. I'VE BEEN A PUBLIC DEFENDER
00:29:23 IN SAN FRANCISCO FOR 15 YEARS AND FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS I
00:29:26 SERVE AS A MANAGER IN THE FELONY TRIAL UNIT AS WELL AS
00:29:29 IN OUR SPECIALTY COURTS WHICH INCLUDES OVERSEEING MENTAL
00:29:32 HEALTH DIVERSION AND DRUG COURT.
00:29:33 >> TODAY IT IS TRUE THAT MOST INDIVIDUALS PARTICIPATE IN DRUG
00:29:37 COURT THROUGH OUR MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION STATUTE 1,001.36
00:29:43 AND OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS OUR STATE LEGISLATURE HAS
00:29:45 MODIFIED THAT LAW TO EXPAND ACCESS TO DRUG COURT.
00:29:48 >> THIS IS A GOOD THING. >> IT IS AN EFFORT TO ACHIEVE
00:29:55 THE BROAD GOAL OF ADDRESSING THE ROOT CAUSES OF CRIME,
00:30:00 MINIMIZING THE USE OF INCARCERATION AS THE PRIMARY
00:30:01 MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE USE TREATMENT POINT FOR INDIVIDUALS
00:30:05 IN PARTICULAR THOSE WHO CAN BE SAFELY TREATED IN THE COMMUNITY
00:30:10 AND IT SERVES TO INCREASE ACCOUNTABILITY AND REAL
00:30:12 SUSTAINED VIABLE PUBLIC SAFETY. >> WHEN DISTRICT ATTORNEY
00:30:16 JENKINS WAS TALKING ABOUT A HISTORICAL POINT OF REFERENCE,
00:30:20 OUR ORIGINAL DAYS OF DRUG COURT AND THE MEMORANDUM OF
00:30:24 UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR OFFICES HAD THAT WAS A STARTING POINT
00:30:27 BUT IT IS GROSSLY OUTDATED AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY IS
00:30:31 A REFLECTION OF OUR STATEWIDE DISPATCHER UNDERSTANDING THAT
00:30:35 ACCESS TO TREATMENT NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED, THAT MORE PEOPLE NEED
00:30:42 TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN TREATMENT.
00:30:43 >> BECAUSE RECALL THAT THAT TIME THAT SHE REFERS TO IS A
00:30:46 TIME WHEN OUR PRISONS AND JAILS WERE GROSSLY OVERCROWDED, WHEN
00:30:50 MASS INCARCERATION WAS AT A CRISIS POINT WHEN OUR
00:30:54 CALIFORNIA PRISON SYSTEMS WENT INTO RECEIVERSHIP BECAUSE OF
00:30:55 THEIR WHOLLY INABILITY TO CARE FOR THE MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS
00:31:01 AND SUBSTANCE USE NEEDS OF PEOPLE WHO WENT INTO THEIR
00:31:02 SYSTEM THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY ASSUMPTION ONE IS THAT THE
00:31:10 TRADITIONAL SYSTEM OF PLEAD GUILTY AND BE PLACED ON
00:31:14 PROBATION PERHAPS REFERRED TO TREATMENT GOING TO JAIL OR
00:31:17 PRISON FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME AND THEN GETTING RELEASED ONTO
00:31:19 THE STREET IS MORE EFFECTIVE. >> THIS IS WRONG.
00:31:22 AND INDEED RECENT REPORTING INDICATED THAT WHILE THERE WAS
00:31:26 RECIDIVISM, RECIDIVISM RATES RE-ARREST OF ABOUT 43% OF DRUG
00:31:29 COURT GRADUATES, IT WAS AT 67% FOR THOSE ENGAGED IN THE
00:31:34 TRADITIONAL SYSTEM. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE
00:31:37 AWARE OF THIS BUT WHEN PEOPLE PLEAD GUILTY TO A CRIME IN SAN
00:31:40 FRANCISCO AND THEY ARE SENTENCED AND RELEASED, THEY
00:31:41 ARE RELEASED TO THE STREET, THEY'RE RELEASED TO THE STREET
00:31:46 BETWEEN NINE AND MIDNIGHT. >> WE ARE NOT TOLD WHAT TIME
00:31:48 THEY WILL GET RELEASED. WE'RE NOT ABLE TO TELL THEIR
00:31:51 FAMILY WHAT TIME THEY SHOULD SHOW UP AT THE SEVENTH STREET
00:31:54 JAIL TO PICK THEM UP. THEY ARE DUMPED ONTO THE STREET
00:31:56 AND THEY WALK DIRECT UP TO MARKET STRAIGHT LINE ACCESS TO
00:31:59 THE DRUGS THAT BROUGHT THEM IN THERE.
00:32:03 >> THAT IS NOT PUBLIC SAFETY. THE LAW THE MENTAL HEALTH
00:32:06 DIVERSION LAW SETS OUT DIVERSION CRITERIA AND TO BE
00:32:10 CLEAR NO ONE IS ADMITTED INTO DRUG COURT WITHOUT AN
00:32:14 ASSESSMENT OF THEIR NEEDS. AN INDIVIDUALIZED TREATMENT
00:32:15 PLAN. >> AND I THINK TO THE CONCERN
00:32:18 OF MOST PEOPLE IN THIS COURT IN THIS ROOM A DETERMINATION
00:32:22 THAT TREATMENT IN THE COMMUNITY WILL NOT POSE AN UNREASONABLE
00:32:26 RISK TO PUBLIC SAFETY. >> SO WHILE THERE MAY BE PEOPLE
00:32:30 WHO ARE CHARGED WITH VIOLENT OFFENSES WHO PETITION FOR DRUG
00:32:33 COURT, NOT ALL OF THEM ARE ACCEPTED OR ADMITTED AND BEFORE
00:32:38 THEY ARE ADMITTED THERE IS A HEARING THE COURT CONSIDERS A
00:32:41 LOT OF INFORMATION INCLUDING WHAT I THINK IS APPROPRIATE
00:32:45 THEIR PRIOR CRIMINAL HISTORY, THEIR AMENABILITY TO TREATMENT
00:32:48 ,THEIR COMPLIANCE WITH MEDICATION ORDERS OR ANY OTHER
00:32:53 CONDITIONS THAT THEY THAT THEY HAVE AND THE INDIVIDUAL FACTS
00:32:54 IN THEIR CASE. >> AND IT HAS TO BE DETERMINED
00:32:58 THAT THEY CAN BE SAFELY TREATED IN THE COMMUNITY AND WOULD NOT
00:33:02 POSE AN UNREASONABLE RISK TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
00:33:04 THE VAST MAJORITY OF PARTICIPANTS IN DRUG COURT
00:33:08 THROUGH THE MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION STATUTE ARE CHARGED
00:33:09 WITH LOW LEVEL NON VIOLENT FELONY OFFENSES AUTO
00:33:13 BURGLARIES, THEFTS, DRUG CHARGES THAT THE SORT OF
00:33:18 PROPERTY AND QUALITY OF LIFE CRIMES THAT WE SEE AND HEAR
00:33:21 ABOUT THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO SORT OF CYCLE IN AND OUT OF THE
00:33:25 SYSTEM BECAUSE THE TRADITIONAL SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING.
00:33:28 >> THERE ARE SOME PARTICIPANTS WHO ARE CHARGED WITH ASSAULTS
00:33:32 AND OTHER CRIMES OF VIOLENCE. AND IF THE ROOT CAUSE OF THEIR
00:33:34 CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IS THEIR ADDICTION AND THEY CAN BE
00:33:37 SAFELY TREATED IN THE COMMUNITY, THE LAW SAYS THEY
00:33:40 SHOULD GET TREATMENT TOO AND FOR GOOD REASON.
00:33:44 >> WE HAVE RELIED ON THE CARCERAL SYSTEM TO SOLVE THESE
00:33:48 PROBLEMS FOR FAR TOO LONG. >> THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO
00:33:51 ARE DEALING WITH TRAUMA. >> THEY ARE DEALING WITH
00:33:55 CO-OCCURRING MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, PTSD, DEPRESSION,
00:33:59 ANXIETY. THEY ARE DEALING WITH HOUSING
00:34:00 INSTABILITY. THEY ARE DEALING WITH LACK OF
00:34:04 ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE. DRUG COURT PROVIDES NOT JUST
00:34:07 TREATMENT. >> IT PROVIDES A COMMUNITY.
00:34:11 >> PEOPLE COME TO COURT EVERY TWO WEEKS.
00:34:12 THEY SEE THE SAME FACES. THERE IS A CLERK AT POLK STREET
00:34:16 AT THAT COURTHOUSE WHO CHEERS FOR THEM.
00:34:19 >> WHO KNOWS WHAT PROGRAMS THEY'RE AT?
00:34:20 WHO KNOWS WHAT JOBS THEY HAVE TO GET TO?
00:34:22 WHO KNOWS WHO HAS TO LEAVE BY THREE IN ORDER TO PICK UP A
00:34:27 CHILD? >> THIS IS A COMMUNITY AND IT
00:34:30 SUPPORTS THEM AND PROVIDES FOR ACCOUNTABILITY.
00:34:36 >> IN MANY WAYS DIVERSION THROUGH THE DRUG COURT SYSTEM
00:34:40 PROVIDES MORE ACCOUNTABILITY THAN A GUILTY PLEA.
00:34:43 WHILE GUILTY PLEA MAY LENGTHEN A PERSON'S INCARCERATION OR
00:34:45 RESULT IN THEM BEING RELEASED AND TIME SERVED, IT DOES NOT
00:34:48 FORCE PEOPLE TO CONFRONT THE PROBLEMS THAT BROUGHT THEM INTO
00:34:52 THE SYSTEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. >> NOW THERE ARE DEFINITELY
00:34:55 CHALLENGE IS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE
00:35:00 DRUG COURT ITS MOST EFFECTIVE PROGRAM.
00:35:03 >> TREATMENT CAPACITY AND ASSOCIATED WAIT TIMES ARE A
00:35:07 HUGE PROBLEM. >> JOSE LUIS AND HIS TEAM WORK
00:35:13 TIRELESSLY TO GET PEOPLE INTO PROGRAMS BUT THEY ARE WORKING
00:35:17 WITH THE SAME POT OF OF TREATMENT OPPORTUNITIES THE
00:35:22 SAME EVERYONE IS TRYING TO GET CLIENTS INTO THE SAME PROGRAMS
00:35:26 AND THOSE PROGRAMS HAVE MONTH LONG WAIT TIMES WHERE PEOPLE DO
00:35:29 WAIT IN CUSTODY AND IT'S SOMETIMES SURPRISING THAT
00:35:33 INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY LIKELY BEAT THEIR CASE AT TRIAL OR COULD
00:35:37 ACCEPT A OUT TODAY OFFER FROM THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
00:35:40 CHOOSE TO WAIT IN JAIL BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE DUMPED
00:35:44 ONTO THE STREET. THEY WANT TO BE CONNECTED TO
00:35:45 TREATMENT AND A PROGRAM. >> BUT WE NEED TO DO BETTER.
00:35:49 THERE IS NOT TREATMENT ON DEMAND IN THIS CITY THE WAY IT
00:35:52 HAS BEEN PROMISED. THERE ARE ESPECIALLY
00:35:56 MONOLINGUAL SPANISH SPEAKING CLIENTS WHO WAIT MONTHS LONGER
00:36:00 THAN THEIR ENGLISH SPEAKING COUNTERPARTS TO ACCESS
00:36:03 TREATMENT BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF PROGRAM AVAILABILITY.
00:36:07 >> DRUG COURT IS HARD AND I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR IT IS
00:36:11 NOT A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD.
00:36:12 QUITE THE OPPOSITE. WE'RE CATCHING PEOPLE.
00:36:15 THESE ARE ADULT CLIENTS. WE ARE CATCHING PEOPLE
00:36:18 SOMETIMES YEARS OR DECADES INTO THEIR ADDICTION.
00:36:22 IT'S NOT EASY. IT'S NOT EASY TO JUST GET CLEAN
00:36:26 AND STAY CLEAN. >> IT IS A LONG PROCESS.
00:36:29 IT IS A PROCESS THROUGH DRUG COURT THAT REQUIRES MULTIPLE
00:36:31 PHASES, MULTIPLE MULTIPLE FORMS OF ACCOUNTABILITY, REGULAR DRUG
00:36:35 TESTING AND EVENTUALLY TO GRADUATE.
00:36:38 PROOF NOT JUST THAT YOU'RE CLEAN BUT OF HOUSING
00:36:41 AND EMPLOYMENT. THOSE ARE VERY DIFFICULT THINGS
00:36:45 TO ACCOMPLISH AND ARE LIKELY REFLECTIVE OF THE GRADUATION
00:36:48 RATES BEING DIFFICULT. >> WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE
00:36:53 PROGRESS NOT PERFECTION. SOMETIMES CLIENTS STRUGGLE IN A
00:36:57 PROGRAM THAT THEY ARE SENT TO AND WE KNOW THAT RECOVERY IS
00:37:00 NOT A STRAIGHT ROAD. >> WE NEED MULTIPLE OPTIONS
00:37:02 IN OUR TREATMENT PROGRAMS SO THAT IF SOMEONE IS NOT DOING
00:37:05 WELL IN ONE OF THE PROGRAMS THEY CAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
00:37:08 TO BE REFERRED TO ANOTHER. >> BASED ON THESE CONCERNS WE
00:37:11 DO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. >> WE HOPE THAT WE CAN ALL
00:37:16 SHARE THE SAME GOAL OF GETTING PEOPLE INTO TREATMENT
00:37:19 INCREASING ACCESS. >> THAT'S THE STATED GOAL OF
00:37:22 PROP 36 AND WHILE IT'S NOT REALLY HAPPENING THERE, IT IS
00:37:24 HAPPENING IN DRUG COURT. WE NEED TO INVEST MORE
00:37:27 IN TREATMENT PROGRAMS, MORE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC
00:37:31 HEALTH STAFFING SO THAT THEY CAN MEET THE GROWING NEEDS OF
00:37:33 THE PROGRAM. >> WE'VE ALSO THOUGHT ABOUT
00:37:37 EXPANDING ACCESS TO DRUG COURT IN OUR IN OUR COURTROOMS MAKING
00:37:40 IT AVAILABLE MORE THAN FOUR COURT DAYS A WEEK.
00:37:44 THERE ARE SO MANY PARTICIPANTS AND SO MUCH NEED.
00:37:48 IT MAY BE OF A VOLUME THAT IS TOO MUCH FOR ONE JUDGE TO
00:37:50 MANAGE. >> I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME
00:37:53 AND YOUR CONSIDERATION. DRUG COURT AT ITS BEST
00:37:54 RECOGNIZES THAT PEOPLE AREN'T DEFINED BY ONE MOMENT.
00:37:58 IT REMINDS US OF THE BELIEF IN SECOND CHANCES AND IN THE
00:38:01 INHERENT DIGNITY OF ALL PEOPLE. OUR COMMUNITY IS SAFER WHEN
00:38:05 DRUG COURT IS EXPANSIVE AND WELL SUPPORTED AND I LOOK
00:38:08 FORWARD TO A CONTINUED DISCUSSION.
00:38:09 >> GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
00:38:12 AND NOW DIRECTOR SAFE. THE FLOOR IS YOURS AND MR.
00:38:18 GROSSMAN. GOOD MORNING.
00:38:21 MORNING. >> STILL MORNING I'M DAN, I'M
00:38:25 THE DIRECTOR THE HEALTH DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY
00:38:27 AND COUNTY HERE AND JOSE LUIS IS THE DIRECTOR OF OUR
00:38:30 COLLABORATIVE COURTS PROGRAM AND I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT
00:38:38 TWO PIECES BEFORE I PASS TO HIM.
00:38:39 >> I THINK OUR ROLE HERE IS LESS AROUND EXPERTISE FOR THE
00:38:42 RIGHT CRIMINAL JUSTICE INVOLVEMENT INTERVENTIONS BUT
00:38:46 FROM A HEALTH STANDPOINT WHEN SOMEONE IS REFERRED TO US WE
00:38:51 WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ABLE TO HELP SERVE AND MEET THE
00:38:56 TREATMENT AND INDIVIDUAL NEED TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE
00:39:00 . THE TWO THEMES I JUST WANT TO
00:39:03 NOTE FIRST JOSE LUIS AND HIS TEAM DO REALLY AMAZING WORK.
00:39:07 WE HAVE BEEN FLAT STAFFED. WE ARE STAFF FOR A CASELOAD OF
00:39:14 240. WE ARE 260 RATHER WE NOW HAVE
00:39:18 420 CLIENTS IN DRUG COURT. THE DRUG COURT TREATMENT
00:39:21 REFERRALS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN HAVE TRIPLED SINCE 2023 AND OUR
00:39:25 STAFFING HAS STAYED FLAT. THE TEAM DOES REALLY GOOD WORK.
00:39:29 I WAS JUST THERE. THEY HAD WE HAD A SAFETY
00:39:32 INCIDENT WHERE THEY WORK THIS MORNING AND THEY ARE PROCEEDING
00:39:36 WITH THEIR WORK AND I MET ONE OF OUR MONOLINGUAL SPANISH OR
00:39:42 SERVES MONOLINGUAL SPANISH CLIENTS.
00:39:43 HIS CASELOAD IS 90. OUR AVERAGE CASELOAD SHOULD BE
00:39:46 AROUND 40 AND FOUR. SO IT GIVES YOU A SENSE OF BOTH
00:39:53 FOLKS ARE VERY COMMITTED AND WE ARE NOT STAFFED FOR THE VOLUME
00:39:58 AND SOME OF THE THINGS AND TIMELINESS THAT COME UP ARE
00:40:01 AS A RESULT OF THAT BUT NOT FOR A LACK OF OUR TEAM POURING OUT
00:40:05 THEIR HEARTS TO TRY TO TRY TO DO WHAT THEY CAN.
00:40:09 THE SECOND PIECE IS WHERE WE SEE WAIT TIMES IN GETTING
00:40:13 PEOPLE INTO RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT AS A CITY WE'VE
00:40:16 LOCKED IN SUPERVISOR DORSEY ESPECIALLY YOU'VE SEEN MANY OF
00:40:18 THE NUMBERS FOR THE GENERAL POPULATION WE'RE ABLE TO TO GET
00:40:24 FOLKS RELATIVELY QUICKLY INTO WITHDRAWAL MANAGEMENT AND THEN
00:40:28 INTO RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT THE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE REAL
00:40:29 CHALLENGES AS EXISTS FOR ONE WHERE WE HAVE MONOLINGUAL
00:40:33 SPANISH SPEAKERS THESE ARE FOR GAPS IN THE RESIDENTIAL
00:40:37 TREATMENT PROGRAMS TO WHEN FOLKS HAVE CO-OCCURRING MENTAL
00:40:41 HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER NEEDS AND NEED PRETTY
00:40:45 INTENSIVE SUPPORT AROUND AROUND BOTH AND THREE VARIOUS
00:40:50 EXCLUSIONS THAT VARIOUS RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT PROGRAMS
00:40:54 HAVE FOR FOLKS WITH VARIOUS CRIMINAL JUSTICE INVOLVED
00:40:58 BACKGROUNDS AND SO THAT SOMETIMES LEADS TO A MUCH
00:41:02 LONGER THAN AVERAGE WAIT TIME FOR PLACEMENT.
00:41:05 AND SO THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT ARE RELEVANT FACTORS.
00:41:09 I'M GOING TO PASS IT TO JOSE LUIS NOW JUST TO GO THROUGH A
00:41:11 FEW OF THE FACTUAL DETAILS OF WHERE THE DEPARTMENT IS.
00:41:17 THANK YOU. DIRECTOR CI I'M GOING TO SPEAK
00:41:21 TO THE DEPARTMENT'S ROLE IN DRUG COURT INCLUDING CLIENT
00:41:24 SERVED TRENDS AND IMPROVEMENTS .
00:41:27 NEXT SLIDE. >> YEAH.
00:41:35 DRUG COURT IS A COLLABORATIVE COURT ESTABLISHED IN 1995
00:41:38 AND PARTICIPATION IS VOLUNTARY .
00:41:44 HIS ROLE INCLUDES EVALUATING CLIENTS IN CUSTODY FOR
00:41:47 BEHAVIORAL HEALTH DISORDERS WHICH IS DONE BY JAILHOUSE
00:41:51 YOUTH SERVICES, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES, DRUG COURT
00:41:52 TREATMENT CENTER TEAM CONDUCTS ADDITIONAL ASSESSMENTS
00:41:56 AND PROVIDES TREATMENT PLAN FOR PARTICIPANTS.
00:42:00 >> NEXT SLIDE. >> DRUG COURT OPERATES ON A
00:42:04 CONTINUUM THAT IS IN LINE WITH NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES.
00:42:10 REFERRALS FOR OUR PROGRAMS ARE INITIATED BY THE DEFENSE
00:42:12 ATTORNEYS THROUGH A REQUEST FOR AN EVALUATION GENERAL HEALTH
00:42:19 PROVIDES THE ASSESSMENT AND RESULTS BACK TO THE COURT
00:42:22 IF A CLIENT QUALIFIES FOR DRUG COURT THEIR CASE IS REFERRED TO
00:42:26 OUR TEAM FOR ASSESSMENT AND IF THEY AGREE TO PARTICIPATE LATE
00:42:30 WE THEN ASSESS THEM AND DEVELOP A TREATMENT PLAN.
00:42:34 OUR TEAM THEN WORKS WITH THE CLIENT TO ACHIEVE THE DIFFERENT
00:42:35 BENCHMARKS OUTLINED INCLUDING HAVING CONSECUTIVE DAYS OF
00:42:39 NEGATIVE DRUG TESTS NEXT THE DRUG COURT IS STAFFED WITH A
00:42:45 CLINICAL MANAGER AND SIX CASE MANAGERS.
00:42:49 THE TEAM IS WHEN FULLY STAFFED IS DESIGNED TO SERVE 260 AS
00:42:56 DIRECTOR CI STATED AND OUR CURRENT CASELOAD IS FOR 20 CASE
00:43:00 MANAGERS COORDINATE WITH RESIDENTIAL AND OUTPATIENT
00:43:05 PROGRAMS TO ASSERT FOR TO ASSERT THAT CLIENTS ARE MEETING
00:43:12 THEIR TREATMENT GOALS. NEXT SLIDE.
00:43:19 REFERRALS TO OUR PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN INCREASING AS DIRECTOR
00:43:20 SEITZ SAID FROM 120 AND 2023 TO 320 8 IN 2025.
00:43:29 DURING THAT SAME TIME PERIOD OUR STAFFING HAS REMAINED FLAT.
00:43:33 MOST CLIENTS NEED PLACEMENT INTO RESIDENT DRUG TREATMENT
00:43:37 THOUGH THEY ARE NOT THOUGH THERE IS NO PRIORITY TO
00:43:41 TREATMENT FOR THESE CLIENTS. OUR GOAL CONTINUES TO BE THAT
00:43:45 EVERYONE RECEIVES TIMELY ACCESS TO CARE.
00:43:51 DRUG COURT PARTICIPANTS STAY IN THE PROGRAM ON AVERAGE OF 14
00:43:55 MONTHS. THIS INCLUDES THAT'S INCLUSIVE
00:43:58 OF GRADUATES AND NON GRADUATES. CLIENTS LEAVE DRUG COURT PRIOR
00:44:03 TO GRADUATION FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS INCLUDING NEEDING
00:44:06 HIGHER LEVELS OF CARE AND SELF DISCHARGE WHICH IS QUITE HIGH.
00:44:10 ADDITIONAL STAFFING OR REDUCED CASELOAD WOULD ALLOW DRUG COURT
00:44:16 TEAM TO INVEST MORE INTO RETAIN AND RETENTION EFFORTS.
00:44:23 >> ONE OF THE FACTORS CONTRIBUTING IS THE MENTAL
00:44:27 HEALTH DIVERSION. IN 2023 ONLY 44% OF OUR
00:44:30 REFERRALS WERE THROUGH D COMPARED TO 65% IN 2025.
00:44:37 THIS EXPANSION OF THE LAW HAS INCREASED THE BURDEN ON THE
00:44:41 NUMBER OF ASSESSMENTS AND ONGOING CASELOAD FOR THE
00:44:44 TEAM. THIS HAS LED US TO BE 62%
00:44:48 OVERSTAFFED CAPACITY NEXT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK
00:44:58 CLOSELY WITH OUR LEGAL PARTNERS TO IMPROVE PROGRAM REFERRALS
00:45:01 AND ALIGN DRUG COURT AND MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION MODELS FOR
00:45:05 DRUG COURT TO IMPROVE RETENTION AND THE PROGRAM COMPLETION.
00:45:09 WITH OUR CURRENT CASELOAD ADDITIONAL STAFFING IS NEEDED
00:45:13 INCLUDING MONOLINGUAL SPANISH SPEAKING STAFF AND OUR
00:45:16 CONTINUED EFFORT TO INCREASE CAPACITY ACROSS THE BEHAVIORAL
00:45:21 HEALTH SYSTEM WILL HELP ACCELERATE ENTRY INTO TREATMENT
00:45:22 FOR DRUG COURT PARTICIPANTS. >> THANK YOU.
00:45:28 >> GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
00:45:29 I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR PARTICIPATING WHEN AND I GO TO
00:45:36 ON QUESTIONS DISTRICT ATTORNEY JENKINS COMMITTEE.
00:45:40 I GOT A COUPLE THOUGHTS SO I GUESS JUST STARTING GENERALLY
00:45:47 DO YOU THINK DRUG COURT IS WORKING AS WELL AS IT SHOULD
00:45:48 BE? AND DO YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS
00:45:51 ON WHAT WAS PRESENTED HERE? >> NO, I DON'T THINK IT'S
00:45:55 WORKING AS INTENDED. I THINK WE'VE HEARD A NUMBER OF
00:45:59 REASONS WHY, WHICH I THINK ARE MULTIFACETED.
00:46:02 THERE ARE CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT ARE MORE SUITABLE FOR OUTREACH
00:46:06 OUTPATIENT TREATMENT FOR A LOWER LEVEL OF SUPERVISION
00:46:13 IN THE COMMUNITY AND THOSE WERE THE ORIGINAL REASONS WHY THE
00:46:18 MOU HAD THAT CRITERIA FOR DRUG COURT.
00:46:22 IT WAS IT WAS MEANT AND INTENDED FOR A SPECIFIC
00:46:25 TARGET POPULATION WHO WE BELIEVED WOULD BE MORE
00:46:26 SUCCESSFUL IN THE PROGRAM AND POSE LESS RISK FOR PUBLIC
00:46:32 SAFETY WHEN IMMEDIATELY RELEASED INTO THE COMMUNITY.
00:46:37 AND SO I THINK WE ARE BOTH SCALING THIS UP FASTER AS WE'VE
00:46:41 JUST HEARD THAN THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH CAN MANAGE.
00:46:44 WE HAVE TO HAVE SUFFICIENT STAFFING TO ASSESS PEOPLE TO
00:46:48 ENSURE THAT THEY ARE BEING COMMUNICATED WITH YOU KNOW,
00:46:52 CONTINUOUSLY TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE ENGAGED IN THEIR
00:46:54 PROGRAMS AND HAVE THAT OVERSIGHT.
00:46:57 WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT RELEASING PEOPLE WHO
00:47:01 POSE A THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY.
00:47:05 AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE COUNTLESS EXAMPLES OF
00:47:08 RE-OFFENDING HAPPEN HAPPENING WHEN PEOPLE ARE ADMITTED INTO
00:47:12 DRUG COURT THROUGH MTD AGAIN WHO WERE NOT SUITABLE UNDER THE
00:47:16 ORIGINAL GUIDELINES WHO HAVE COMMITTED VERY SERIOUS
00:47:20 AND VIOLENT CRIMES EVEN STRIKE OFFENSES UNDER OUR STATE LAW
00:47:26 AND THEY ARE GOING BACK OUT AND THEY ARE RE-OFFENDING
00:47:28 IN SERIOUS WAYS. AND SO IT IS NOT WORKING FOR
00:47:30 THAT REASON THAT WE ARE HAVING A CONTINUED VICTIMIZATION
00:47:35 BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY WEREN'T SUITABLE LIKELY IN THE
00:47:39 FIRST PLACE THEIR NEEDS ARE LIKELY MUCH MORE.
00:47:45 >> THEY HAVE THEY HAVE HIGHER NEEDS I SHOULD SAY THAN THOSE
00:47:48 WHO THIS COURT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED FOR AND THE CASE
00:47:52 MANAGERS JUST SIMPLY ARE MANAGING TOO MUCH AND CAN'T
00:47:56 GIVE THEM THE ATTENTION THAT THEY WOULD NEED AT THAT HIGHER
00:48:00 LEVEL OF ACUITY. AND SO FOR ME THOSE ARE LARGELY
00:48:05 THE REASONS AND AGAIN HAVING A JUDGE WHO I BELIEVE WAS
00:48:11 EXCESSIVELY LENIENT IN HIS CONSIDERATION AND EVALUATION OF
00:48:19 THE PUBLIC SAFETY RISK AND OF THE APPROPRIATENESS OF WHO WAS
00:48:21 BEING ALLOWED INTO MHC, I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT SOMETHING
00:48:24 NOTHING ABOUT THE MAITRE D STATUTE REQUIRES A JUDGE TO LET
00:48:27 SOMEONE INTO DRUG COURT. D IS ITS OWN PROGRAM.
00:48:32 IT HAS ITS OWN CRITERIA BASED ON STATE LAW.
00:48:36 IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DRUG COURT.
00:48:39 WHAT IS HAPPENING IS THAT DRUG COURT IS BEING USED AS A VESSEL
00:48:43 FOR PLACEMENT OF THE LARGE NUMBER AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER
00:48:47 OF PEOPLE BEING ALLOWED INTO THE MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION
00:48:50 PROGRAM. AND SO THAT IS THE END RUN THAT
00:48:52 I AM SPEAKING OF IS THAT THE RULES AND THE CRITERIA AROUND
00:48:58 DRUG COURT DO NOT LEGALLY HAVE TO BE DISREGARDED.
00:48:59 THESE PEOPLE YES MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE FOR A2D THAT DOES NOT
00:49:04 AUTOMATICALLY MAKE THEM ELIGIBLE FOR DRUG COURT.
00:49:07 AND AGAIN WHAT WE HAVE DONE OVER THE COURSE OF MY CAREER
00:49:11 FOR HIGHER LEVEL OFFENDERS WHO DO HAVE SUBSTANCE ABUSE
00:49:14 PROBLEMS THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE COMMISSIONS OF THEIR
00:49:18 CRIMES IS THAT WE ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE PLED GUILTY TO A
00:49:22 CRIME SO THAT WE HAVE A HOOK FOR THEM SHOULD THEY NOT
00:49:27 CONTINUE THROUGH THE TREATMENT PROCESS SO THAT THERE IS A
00:49:31 VESSEL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A CONSEQUENCE RIGHT AND TO
00:49:34 REMOVE THEM FROM THE COMMUNITY IF NEEDED.
00:49:38 BUT WE GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK TOWARDS A
00:49:41 LOWER YOU GENERALLY A LOWER CRIME, A LESSER CRIME THAT THEY
00:49:45 CAN HAVE THEIR CHARGE REDUCED TO IF THEY COMPLETE TREATMENT
00:49:49 OR AS I SAID TREATMENT IN LIEU OF CUSTODY TIME THAT IS NOT
00:49:53 NOVEL OR NEW TO THE SAN FRANCISCO DA'S OFFICE.
00:49:57 AS I POINTED OUT, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT MASS INCARCERATION
00:50:00 PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO PRISONS.
00:50:01 WE HAVE LESS THAN 500 PEOPLE IN CDCR FROM SAN FRANCISCO.
00:50:04 WE ARE NOT SENDING VERY MANY PEOPLE TO PRISON.
00:50:08 >> WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY JAIL, MOST
00:50:12 OF WHOM ARE AWAITING TRIAL. THEY ARE PRETRIAL DEFENDANTS
00:50:15 THAT ARE INCARCERATED IN OUR COUNTY JAIL.
00:50:19 >> SO WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM HERE WITH MASS INCARCERATION
00:50:23 NOT IN THIS COUNTY. >> BUT I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT
00:50:27 WHEN SOMEBODY IS RELEASED BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY THAT IT IS
00:50:31 SAFE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THAT IT IS IN THE BEST WELFARE EVEN
00:50:34 OF THAT INDIVIDUAL SO THAT THEY DON'T SIMPLY GO OUT AND PICK UP
00:50:35 A MORE SERIOUS CASE THAT COULD LAND THEM IN STATE PRISON
00:50:42 AND WITH ANOTHER VICTIM. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT THOSE
00:50:45 ARE THOSE ARE THE ISSUES. >> CAN I JUST ASK YOU I'D LIKE
00:50:49 TO WHEN WE HAVE HEARINGS TO HAVE THINK ABOUT THIS IN TERMS
00:50:52 OF WHAT ARE THE ACTION ITEMS WE'RE COMING OUT WITH THIS.
00:50:54 >> IT FEELS TO ME LIKE THE ISSUE MAY BE THAT WE DON'T
00:50:57 CONTROL THE CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE HERE BUT THERE'S NOTHING
00:51:01 TO STOP THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OR THE CITY FROM
00:51:04 MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO OUR OWN LAWMAKERS IN SACRAMENTO
00:51:07 AND TO THE LEGISLATURE GENERALLY THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE
00:51:09 SOME CHANGES IN THE STATE LAW IF IF THERE WERE CHANGES THAT
00:51:15 YOU WOULD MAKE. ONE THAT I WOULD THINK WOULD IT
00:51:17 MAKE MORE SENSE FOR DRUG COURT PARTICIPANTS TO PLEAD GUILTY AS
00:51:20 A CONDITION OF THEIR PARTICIPATION?
00:51:21 >> FOR EXAMPLE, IS IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO TO
00:51:24 TO GIVE A LITTLE TO ENHANCE THE INCENTIVE FOR SUCCESS IN THIS?
00:51:30 >> I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR HD MORE
00:51:34 GENERALLY AGAIN DRUG COURT THAT THAT WAS THAT WAS THE CONCEPT
00:51:38 AT ITS INCEPTION WAS THAT YOU COULD ENGAGE IN DRUG COURT
00:51:42 AND THEN LEAVE SUCCESSFULLY WITHOUT THE CONVICTION ON YOUR
00:51:46 RECORD. WE STILL WANT TO BE GIVING
00:51:48 PEOPLE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A CLEAN RECORD BECAUSE WE DO
00:51:51 UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATION OF HAVING FELONY CONVICTIONS ON
00:51:55 ONE'S RECORD AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THEIR LIFE GOING
00:51:59 FORWARD. >> AND I STILL DO BELIEVE THAT
00:52:00 THOSE AVENUES SHOULD EXIST. >> BUT WHAT I DO HAVE A CONCERN
00:52:03 ABOUT ARE THE CASES GOING INTO HD AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS
00:52:07 WITH A NUMBER OF STATE LEGISLATORS ABOUT THE FACT THAT
00:52:11 THE FLOODGATES FOR MH D WERE OPENED FAR TOO WIDE THAT PEOPLE
00:52:15 WHO COMMIT CHILD ABUSE ATTEMPTED MURDER ARMED ROBBERY
00:52:21 ,THINGS OF VERY DANGEROUS CRIMES SHOULD NOT BE PUT
00:52:25 THROUGH A DIVERSIONARY COURT WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR CASE
00:52:29 DISMISSED AT THE AT THE END. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT
00:52:32 THEY'RE APPROPRIATELY HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND AGAIN THAT
00:52:36 THEY'RE DEALT WITH IN A FASHION THAT IS SAFER FOR THE COMMUNITY
00:52:40 WHICH IS NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING THROUGH MH D SO I THINK THAT
00:52:42 THERE ARE A LOT OF AMENDMENTS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN TO THAT
00:52:45 STATUTE. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER
00:52:49 OF BILLS COMING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE.
00:52:50 THERE'S TWO BILLS COMING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE RIGHT
00:52:52 NOW BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT HD IS HAS SOME HAS SOME
00:52:56 BOUNDARIES TO IT THAT ENSURE THAT THESE TYPES OF ABUSES
00:53:01 DON'T HAPPEN. OKAY.
00:53:07 OKAY. OKAY.
00:53:08 I THINK THAT'S IT. I GUESS I'LL JUST FOR THE
00:53:14 PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE, ARE THERE CHANGES YOU WOULD MENTION
00:53:19 CHANGES THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE? >> YEAH.
00:53:23 YOU KNOW A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO RESPOND TO.
00:53:25 I THINK THAT FIRST THERE'S JUST NO EVIDENCE THAT SMACKING A
00:53:27 GUILTY PLEA ON THE FRONT END INCREASES PEOPLE'S
00:53:33 PARTICIPATION, THEIR ENGAGEMENT AND THEIR SUCCESS IN A
00:53:34 TREATMENT COURT PROGRAM. THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT MR. PSI
00:53:41 AND JOSEPH LEASK WAS ONE THEY PRESENTED.
00:53:42 >> THEY STILL EXIST RIGHT? >> YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T ACCOUNT
00:53:45 FOR THAT THROUGH SMACKING A GUILTY PLEA ON THE FRONT END
00:53:49 YOU NEED TO INCREASE TREATMENT STAFF INCREASE CAPACITY
00:53:52 INCREASE PROGRAMING IS INCREASE ACCESS.
00:53:56 IF YOU WANT TREATMENT ON DEMAND THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE PEOPLE'S
00:54:00 LIVES. >> I THINK THOSE ARE THE
00:54:01 RECOMMENDATIONS THAT NEED THAT NEED TO COME OUT OF AND THE
00:54:04 ACTION ITEMS THAT NEED TO COME OUT OF THIS COMMITTEE IS THAT
00:54:08 YOU KNOW, IF WE CARE ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY IN OUR COMMUNITY
00:54:12 WE NEED TO BE EVIDENCE BASED AND NOT JUST FEARMONGERING.
00:54:15 >> WE HAVE TO WE ARE NOT MOVING BACKWARDS FROM THE MH D
00:54:20 STATUTE. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE TWEAKS.
00:54:23 THERE ALWAYS BE MODIFICATIONS. PEOPLE WILL PROPOSE CHANGES.
00:54:27 SOME OF THEM WILL MAKE IT THROUGH THE STATE LEGISLATURE.
00:54:28 SOME OF THEM WON'T. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU
00:54:32 KNOW THAT STATUTE IS HERE TO STAY.
00:54:35 >> IT IS IMPORTANT AND WE NEED TO WORK WITH IT AS A CITY SO SO
00:54:42 THOSE ARE THE YOU KNOW, FOCUSES I WOULD HAVE I'D ALSO JUST NOTE
00:54:43 THAT I THINK ON THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S PUBLIC DATA
00:54:46 DASHBOARD THEY TOUT A 50% DECREASE IN VIOLENT CRIME
00:54:50 IN THE LAST YEAR. >> SO SO YOU KNOW WHICH ONE IS
00:54:53 IT IF WE ARE DECREASING VIOLENT CRIME WHILE WE ARE EXPANDING
00:54:57 ACCESS TO MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION, PERHAPS WE CAN WORK
00:55:01 TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS PROGRAM THE MOST EFFECTIVE THAT IT CAN
00:55:05 BE IF IT'S IF THERE WERE 134 PROGRAM GRADUATIONS AND THE 259
00:55:12 TERMINATIONS BACK IN THE CRIMINAL COURT, I DON'T KNOW
00:55:16 THAT THE EVIDENCE IS REALLY BEARING OUT THAT THIS IS
00:55:17 WORKING AS SUCCESSFULLY AS WE THINK IT SHOULD BE.
00:55:21 >> I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WHAT WE CAN DO
00:55:25 TO INCREASE GRADUATIONS. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF EVERYBODY
00:55:26 GRADUATED. THE REALITY IS THAT AS I THINK
00:55:29 WAS POINTED OUT IN THE SLIDE PRESENTATION, PEOPLE SELF
00:55:32 TERMINATE AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT THAT THE
00:55:36 NOTATION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE OURSELVES I DON'T KNOW IF
00:55:38 YOU'RE ABLE TO TO READ IT DURING THE PRESENTATION WE NEED
00:55:41 TO MAKE OURSELVES MORE STICKY RIGHT THAT IF WE'RE ANYONE
00:55:44 WHO'S GONE THROUGH TREATMENT FOR ANYONE WHO'S GONE TO
00:55:47 THERAPY ONCE AND THOUGHT MAYBE I WON'T GO NEXT WEEK RIGHT.
00:55:52 WHAT KEEPS YOU COMING BACK IS SOME OF YOUR OWN INTERNAL
00:55:55 MOTIVATION. SOME OF IT IS YOUR
00:55:56 ACCOUNTABILITY TO YOUR COMMUNITY, YOUR FAMILY AND SOME
00:56:00 OF IT IS THE PROVIDER WHO'S THERE FOR YOU EVERY DAY.
00:56:04 AND WHEN THAT PROVIDER TURNS OVER AND CHANGES WHEN THEY
00:56:08 DON'T HAVE CAPACITY TO MEET YOUR NEEDS BECAUSE THEY'RE
00:56:09 OVERBURDENED BY A MASSIVE CASELOAD THAT MAKES IT HARDER
00:56:12 FOR THEM TO BE STICKY. >> SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT
00:56:15 GRADUATION RATES WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING THAT I DON'T THINK
00:56:19 THERE'S ANY EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT THE CERTAIN TYPES OF
00:56:23 CRIMES THAT SORT OF SMALL GROUP THAT HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON THAT
00:56:26 HAVE BEEN ADMITTED THAT MAYBE RAISE PEOPLE'S ALARM BELLS WHEN
00:56:29 THEY DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION IS THE REASON WHY
00:56:33 PEOPLE ARE NOT AS SUCCESSFUL IN DRUG COURT AS WE WOULD LIKE
00:56:37 THEM TO BE. >> OKAY.
00:56:37 OKAY. >> I THINK I WOULD THIS IS JUST
00:56:41 MORE OF A THE THING THAT I WOULD SAY ABOUT RECOVERY
00:56:45 TRADITIONS AND THIS I THINK IS YOU KNOW, IT'S NEARLY UNIVERSAL
00:56:49 AMONG THE RECOVERY TRADITIONS THAT I'M AWARE OF WHETHER IT'S
00:56:52 A 12 STEP TRADITION OR DHARMA RECOVERY OR LIFE WHERE THERE'S
00:56:56 SMART RECOVERY, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT TRADITIONS BUT
00:57:00 THEY ALL SEEM TO HAVE A COMMON ELEMENT IN ACCOUNTABILITY
00:57:03 AND TAKING RESPONSIBILITY. THE FACT THAT YOU DID SOMETHING
00:57:08 THAT YOU WRONGED SOMEONE IN SOME WAY IS NOT AN EXCUSE
00:57:11 THAT RELIEVES YOU OF MAKING AN AMENDS FOR IT AND THAT THAT'S
00:57:16 JUST THAT'S WHY I DON'T KNOW THAT HAVING TAKING A LOOK AT
00:57:19 SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A PLEA THAT COULD BE EXPUNGED OR
00:57:23 SOMETHING THAT WOULD GIVE MORE LEVERAGE TO HOW THIS WORKS OUT
00:57:27 OR HOW THE LEGISLATURE IS IS LOOKING AT IT.
00:57:31 WHY DON'T I DO THIS? WHY DON'T WE AS WE THINK
00:57:35 THROUGH WHAT WE WANT TO ASK OF OUR LEGISLATURE AND SOME OF THE
00:57:38 THINGS THAT ARE PENDING? I WILL SAY THAT TALKING TO SOME
00:57:41 OF OUR STATE LEGISLATORS, YOU KNOW WE ARE IN A DIFFERENT ERA
00:57:45 NOW AND IN DRUG POLICY WITH SYNTHETIC DRUGS THAT ARE
00:57:49 DEADLIER AND MORE POTENTLY ADDICTIVE THAN EVER BEFORE.
00:57:53 >> I THINK THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS.
00:57:54 SO I WILL BE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH YOUR OFFICE
00:57:57 AND YOUR OFFICE ON WHAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT WITH
00:58:00 THE LEGISLATOR LEGISLATURE IF NECESSARY AND THAT IF YOU THINK
00:58:03 THERE'S THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO AND PART OF THAT IS
00:58:05 OBVIOUSLY FUNDING, YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW WE'RE FACING SOME
00:58:07 CHALLENGES. I THINK THE ONE THING THAT
00:58:08 WE'RE ALL GOING TO AGREE ON IS WE I THINK MONEY FOR RECOVERY
00:58:12 AND DRUG TREATMENT IS MONEY WELL SPENT.
00:58:15 AND I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT WE'RE NOT LIVING UP TO THE
00:58:19 PROMISES OF TREATMENT ON DEMAND THAT SAN FRANCISCANS EXPECT OF
00:58:22 US WHEN THEY WHEN THEY VOTED FOR THIS YEARS AGO.
00:58:26 SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION.
00:58:27 I WILL NOW ASK VICE CHAIR THANK YOU CHAIR DORSEY YOU YOU KNOW
00:58:34 WE HEARD ABOUT THE AFTER THE PUBLIC DEFENDER PLEAS WE HEARD
00:58:38 ABOUT AFTER THE CHANGE IN THE DRUG COURT JUDGE THAT THERE WAS
00:58:42 A 70 OR SO LEGAL CHALLENGES AGAINST THE NEW JUDGE FILED WHY
00:58:49 WAS THAT THE CASE? >> WHY DID YOU BRING THOSE YOU
00:58:52 KNOW INDIVIDUAL ATTORNEYS MAKE A DETERMINATION ABOUT WHETHER
00:58:55 THEY THINK THAT A JUDGE WILL BE PREJUDICED AGAINST THEMSELF
00:58:57 THEIR CLIENT OR THE INTERESTS OF THEIR CLIENT, WHETHER THEIR
00:59:00 CASE CAN BE PROPERLY SERVED IN A COURT?
00:59:03 WE DON'T WE DON'T DIRECT THAT. WE ALLOW INDIVIDUAL ATTORNEYS
00:59:07 TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. AND I THINK THAT MANY, MANY
00:59:08 ATTORNEYS HAD HAD EXPERIENCES WITH A JUDGE THAT THEY FELT
00:59:12 MADE HER NOT THE JUDGE THAT THEY WANTED HEARING THEIR
00:59:18 MATTER. AND I THINK THAT THE COURTS THE
00:59:20 LAW ALLOWS FOR THAT CHALLENGE TO BE MADE AND THE COURTS HAVE
00:59:24 NOW AND I THINK IT WAS OVER A MONTH AGO MADE SHUFFLING OF
00:59:30 ASSIGNMENTS AND THE NEW JUDGE THAT'S GOING TO BE PRESIDING
00:59:32 OVER DRUG COURT, COMMUNITY JUSTICE COURT AS WELL AS YOUNG
00:59:35 ADULT COURT AS A FORMER DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND WE'VE MET
00:59:38 WITH HER. WE MET WITH HER ACTUALLY
00:59:42 YESTERDAY. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH
00:59:43 HER AND SO IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER
00:59:46 SOMEONE WAS A LIBERAL JUDGE OR A CONSERVATIVE JUDGE, A
00:59:51 DISTRICT ATTORNEY PRIOR OR A PUBLIC DEFENDER PRIOR THIS THIS
00:59:55 JUDGE THAT'S GOING TO BE TAKING OVER AS A DISTRICT ATTORNEY, WE
00:59:58 FEEL LIKE SHE HAS PRESENTED TO US A COMMITMENT TO THE MODEL
01:00:01 AND THE VISION OF DRUG COURT OF TREATMENT AND ACCESS TO
01:00:06 TREATMENT. >> AND I KNOW THAT SHE'S NOT
01:00:07 GOING TO AGREE WITH US ON EVERYTHING AND WE'LL WORK
01:00:09 TOGETHER. >> DO YOU ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE
01:00:13 ANY SPECIFICS WITHIN THOSE FILINGS THOUGH, THOSE
01:00:14 CHALLENGES? WHAT WAS IN THOSE I MEAN IT
01:00:17 DOES SEEM QUITE COORDINATED AND SUDDEN TO HAVE ALL THESE
01:00:25 THESE CHALLENGES FILED AT ONCE. >> I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE THAT
01:00:28 THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY DID A MASS CHALLENGING AGAINST JUDGE
01:00:32 MICHELLE TONG WHEN SHE ENTERED THE BUILDING OF 50 BRYANT
01:00:35 STREET. I DON'T THINK SHE HEARD A
01:00:36 SINGLE MATTER. IT'S SOMETIMES HAPPENS
01:00:39 SOMETIMES IT APPEARS COORDINATED, SOMETIMES IT'S
01:00:43 BASED ON A VISUAL DETERMINATION AND WITH BOTH SIDES YOU NEED
01:00:47 NOT STATE MORE THAN WHAT THE CALIFORNIA CODE OF CIVIL
01:00:48 PROCEDURE ONE 70.6 REQUIRES WHICH IS THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE
01:00:54 THE JUDGE CAN BE FAIR TO YOURSELF OR YOUR CLIENT OR THE
01:00:56 ISSUES THAT YOUR CLIENT IS FACING.
01:01:00 THANK YOU. WELCOME.
01:01:04 >> GREAT. I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE ON THE
01:01:07 ROSTER. I DO I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
01:01:09 FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING
01:01:12 THOSE ANSWERS WOULD INVOLVE OUR RESPONSIBLE ARTISANS PEOPLE WHO
01:01:16 ARE DOING WORKING ON THE BUDGET AND I THINK WE'VE I THINK WE
01:01:17 CAN ALL AGREE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CHALLENGES THAT YOU'RE
01:01:21 THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO FACE AND I THINK THAT'S
01:01:24 ESPECIALLY TRUE WITH H.R. ONE. >> I WILL JUST PUT IT OUT THERE
01:01:28 THOUGH IF YOU THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT
01:01:29 TO ADD, I WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY OR IF THERE'S A
01:01:32 QUESTION THAT YOU THINK WAS WAS RAISED BY THIS OTHERWISE I
01:01:35 REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PARTICIPATION WITH THAT.
01:01:39 OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
01:01:40 VICE CHAIR SLAUGHTER JUST ONE QUESTION FOR DEPARTMENT OF
01:01:43 PUBLIC HEALTH IF YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO ELABORATE A BIT MORE ON
01:01:48 THIS THIS CONCEPT OF SELF DISCHARGE, WHAT THAT IS AND HOW
01:01:57 WHAT SERIES OF EVENTS WOULD LEAD TO THAT WHAT THAT LOOKS
01:01:58 LIKE SO SELF DISCHARGE CAN BE CLIENTS GOING BACK TO CRIMINAL
01:02:04 COURT. THEY COULD BY CHOICE THEY COULD
01:02:08 DECIDE TO START AN ASSESSMENT AND THEN AS TO AFTER BEING
01:02:12 EXPLAINED TO THE PROCESS AND THE WAIT POTENTIAL WAIT
01:02:16 TIME THEY DECIDE NOT TO CONTINUE FORWARD AND THEN SOME
01:02:20 CLIENTS JUST ARE NOT ABLE TO COMPLETE THE PROGRAM AND SO
01:02:25 THEY END UP BEING CATEGORIZED AS SELF DISCHARGED AND YOU MAY
01:02:32 HAVE SHARED THIS IN THE SLIDES BUT APPROXIMATELY HOW OFTEN IS
01:02:33 THIS HAPPENING IS QUITE HIGH. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT
01:02:37 PERCENTAGE IN FRONT OF ME AND I GUESS YOU KNOW WE'RE OBVIOUSLY
01:02:43 THE NUMBERS YOU KNOW MAKE VERY CLEAR HOW ARE THE PARTICIPANTS
01:02:47 IN DRUG COURT HAVE EXPLODED IN RECENT YEARS AND HOW THAT
01:02:51 YOU KNOW REALLY IMPACTS YOUR WORK AND YOUR TEAM'S WORK
01:02:55 AND CASELOAD IS GOING UP? HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE TO, YOU
01:03:02 KNOW, TO AN INDIVIDUAL CLIENT, AN INDIVIDUAL PARTICIPANT
01:03:07 IN DRUG COURT? HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE TO
01:03:10 IMPACTING THEIR EXPERIENCE? >> I MEAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
01:03:13 DELAYS. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT OR IS IT
01:03:17 JUST A MATTER THAT IT'S IT REALLY FALLS ON YOUR TEAM
01:03:21 AND YOUR WORKLOAD? >> IT'S A LITTLE OF BOTH I
01:03:22 THINK FOR THE CLIENT, ESPECIALLY ONCE THEY'RE IN THE
01:03:25 COMMUNITY, IT'S THE NUMBER OF TOUCHPOINTS WE HAVE WITH THEM
01:03:29 BECAUSE THE CASELOAD ARE SO HIGH WE ARE NOT ABLE TO MEET
01:03:32 WITH THEM MAYBE AS FREQUENTLY AS WE WOULD LIKE OR THAT THEY
01:03:36 NEED. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE IMPACT
01:03:40 THAT THE HIGH CASELOADS ARE HAVING WITH THE INDIVIDUAL
01:03:43 CLIENTS. >> THANK YOU AND THANK YOU
01:03:48 CHAIR DORSI FOR YOU JUST ONE OF THE IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING IS
01:03:52 THE HAVE YOU TOLD THE COURT THAT YOU'RE BEYOND CAPACITY?
01:03:58 >> I YES, WE HAVE MENTIONED OKAY, WHAT IS A COURT'S
01:04:02 RESPONSE ABOUT THE COURT JUST CONTINUE TO ADD NEW CASES.
01:04:06 >> OKAY. OKAY.
01:04:09 THANKS. OKAY.
01:04:13 SEE NO ONE ON THE ROSTER, MR. CLERK, CAN WE INVITE A PUBLIC
01:04:17 COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:04:18 THE PUBLIC SAFETY NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES COMMITTEE WILL NOW
01:04:21 HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT RELATED TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE THIS
01:04:24 REVIEW OF SAN FRANCISCO'S DRUG COURT PROGRAM.
01:04:25 IF YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM PLEASE COME FORWARD
01:04:28 TO THE LECTERN. >> DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS HERE
01:04:31 COME SOMEONE AND IF YOU'RE WAITING FOR YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO
01:04:36 SPEAK YOU CAN LINE UP TO SPEAK ALONG THAT WESTERN WALL THAT
01:04:38 I'M POINTING OUT. >> PLEASE BEGIN.
01:04:39 GOOD AFTERNOON. PUBLIC SAFETY AND NEIGHBORHOOD
01:04:43 SERVICES COMMITTEE THANK SUPERVISOR DORSEY FOR CALLING
01:04:46 ON THIS HEARING. THANKS TO ALL THE PRESENTERS ON
01:04:47 BEHALF OF CONNECTED US OUR STAFF AND MEMBERSHIP.
01:04:50 >> A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE I DO THINK WHAT DO ROGER
01:04:53 GEORGE IS WANTING TO CHARGE WORKING WITH THE LEGISLATURE
01:04:57 STATE LEGISLATURE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THE FACT THAT CASES
01:05:03 TO DRUG COURT SKYROCKETED TRIPLE TO 333 TIMES THE AMOUNT
01:05:07 OVER TWO YEARS IS JUST IT IT'S HARD TO FATHOM ESPECIALLY WHEN
01:05:14 A LOT OF THESE CRIMES ARE NOT RELATED TO DRUG OFFENSES SUCH
01:05:18 AS VIOLENT CRIMES. >> THAT SEEMS LIKE AN ABUSE TO
01:05:26 OUR SYSTEM. >> ON THE MENTAL HEALTH
01:05:27 DIVERSION FRONT, THERE'S GOT TO BE MORE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR
01:05:30 THOSE THAT WE ACTUALLY AREN'T ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO BE ENTERING
01:05:33 INTO THAT THAT THAT PROCESS AND THROUGH MENTAL HEALTH
01:05:37 DIVERSION THE ACCOUNTABILITY RIGHT NOW IS NOT THERE AND IT'S
01:05:43 I THINK IT'S WE THINK AN ABUSE TO THE SYSTEM AND NOT FAIR FOR
01:05:48 EVERYDAY CITIZENS DUE TO LACK OF SAFETY BUT ALSO FOR THOSE
01:05:52 WERE PUT IN THROUGH THOSE THOSE THOSE PROCESSES.
01:05:56 >> SO WE DO APPRECIATE BRITT JENKINS FOR CONTINUING HER
01:06:01 FIGHT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO FURTHER ACCOUNTABILITY AND HOPE
01:06:08 THE STATE WILL FURTHER FUND THINGS LIKE PROP 36 TO ENSURE
01:06:14 PUBLIC SAFETY FOR ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:06:17 >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS
01:06:19 FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE MR. CHAIR?
01:06:24 >> OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM IS
01:06:26 NOW CLOSED. I'M I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE
01:06:29 FOR PARTICIPATING IN TODAY'S HEARING.
01:06:32 I THINK WE AGREE THAT WE BELIEVE IN DRUG COURT AND WE
01:06:33 MAY HAVE SOME DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON HOW WE CAN MAKE
01:06:36 IT MORE EFFECTIVE AND I WILL PROBABLY REACH OUT TO YOUR
01:06:40 OFFICE. I WANT TO TALK TO SOME
01:06:41 COLLEAGUES WHO I KNOW WHO HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN THIS
01:06:45 AND WHAT WE SHOULD BE SAYING TO THE LEGISLATURE ARE ABOUT WHERE
01:06:48 WE THINK IMPROVEMENTS MIGHT BE MADE.
01:06:52 >> MY HOPE IS THAT TODAY'S DISCUSSION MOVES US FORWARD.
01:06:55 THIS IS A SYSTEM THAT SHOULD BE EVIDENCE BASED PROPERLY
01:06:57 RESOURCED, TRANSPARENT IN ITS OUTCOMES AND CAPABLE OF BOTH
01:07:00 SUPPORTING RECOVERY AND MAINTAINING PUBLIC
01:07:04 CONFIDENCE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
01:07:05 MOTION AT THIS TIME TO CONSIDER THIS HEARING HEARD AND FILED ON
01:07:10 THE MOTION OFFERED BY THE CHAIR THAT THIS HEARING BE HEARD
01:07:12 AND FILED. VICE CHAIR SARTOR SADR I
01:07:15 REMEMBER WONG WONG I CHAIR DORSEY I DORSEY I MR. CHAIR
01:07:19 THERE ARE THREE EYES. >> THANK YOU MR. CLERK THE
01:07:22 MOTION CARRIES AND MR. CLERK CAN WE PLEASE CALL ITEM NUMBER
01:07:26 TWO? >> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A
01:07:27 HEARING TO DISCUSS THE CAUSES ESCALATION RESPONSE AND IMPACTS
01:07:30 OF THE WIDESPREAD POWER OUTAGES THAT BEGAN ON DECEMBER 20TH,
01:07:34 2025, WHICH IMPACTED RESIDENTS AND SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE
01:07:38 RICHMOND SUNSET PRESIDIO CIVIC CENTER SOUTH OF MARKET
01:07:41 AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS TO UNDERSTAND HOW A LOCALIZED
01:07:42 SUBSTATION AND INCIDENT ESCALATED TO AFFECT NEARLY A
01:07:47 THIRD OF THE CITY TO ASSESS COMMUNICATION FAILURES AND GAPS
01:07:50 IN EMERGENCY RESPONSE PROTOCOLS TO EVALUATE ECONOMIC IMPACTS ON
01:07:54 SMALL BUSINESSES AND HARDSHIPS FACED BY SENIORS, PERSONS WITH
01:07:58 DISABILITIES AND OTHER VULNERABLE RESIDENTS TO DISCUSS
01:08:01 AND UNDERSTAND THE REMEDIES, CLAIMS AND PROCESSES
01:08:05 AND SUPPORT BEING PROVIDED TO AFFECTED RESIDENTS
01:08:06 AND BUSINESSES. >> THANK YOU, MR. CLERK.
01:08:09 THIS HEARING WAS INITIALLY CALLED BY SUPERVISORS ALAN WONG
01:08:13 AND BELAL MAHMOOD FOLLOWING THE WIDESPREAD POWER OUTAGES THAT
01:08:17 IMPACTED THOUSANDS OF SAN FRANCISCAN RIGHT BEFORE THE
01:08:21 HOLIDAYS IN FEBRUARY THIS COMMITTEE HELD THE FIRST
01:08:24 HEARING ON THIS MATTER WHERE WE HEARD FROM CITY DEPARTMENTS
01:08:28 AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANT DISRUPTIONS
01:08:32 THESE OUTAGE CAUSED ACROSS OUR CITY INCLUDING PARTS OF MY
01:08:35 DISTRICT. RESIDENTS SPOKE ABOUT LOSING
01:08:36 POWER FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME.
01:08:40 BUSINESSES DESCRIBED ECONOMIC IMPACT IMPACTS AND OPERATIONAL
01:08:44 CHALLENGES THEY FACED AND CITY DEPARTMENTS DISCUSS THE STRAIN
01:08:48 THESE OUTAGES PLACED ON ESSENTIAL SERVICES
01:08:49 AND INFRASTRUCTURE. THE IMPACTS WERE FELT ACROSS
01:08:52 MULTIPLE NEIGHBORHOODS. AS CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE
01:08:56 AND AS A SUPERVISOR WHOSE DISTRICT AND WHOSE OWN
01:08:57 NEIGHBORHOOD IS HOME TO THE PPG SUBSTATION WHERE THIS FIRE
01:09:02 FIRST OCCURRED I CAN I CONTINUE TO TAKE THIS MATTER EXTREMELY
01:09:06 SERIOUSLY. THIS HEARING WAS CONTINUED TO
01:09:07 ALLOW PPG ANY ADDITIONAL TIME TO COMPLETE ITS REVIEW
01:09:11 AND INVESTIGATION WORK. AND TODAY IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING
01:09:14 WE'LL HEAR FURTHER FINDINGS, UPDATES AND INFORMATION
01:09:15 REGARDING THE CAUSES OF THE OUTAGES, THE RESPONSE EFFORTS
01:09:18 AND STEP BEING STEPS BEING TAKEN TO HELP PREVENT SIMILAR
01:09:22 INCIDENTS FROM OCCURRING IN THE FUTURE.
01:09:25 OUR CONSTITUENTS DESERVE CLEAR ANSWERS ACCOUNTABILITY
01:09:29 AND CONFIDENCE THAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS RELIABLE
01:09:30 AND RESILIENT. TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS AN
01:09:33 IMPORTANT CONTINUATION OF THAT OVERSIGHT WORK AND BEFORE WE
01:09:37 CONTINUE, I DO WANT TO ALSO WELCOME OUR COLLEAGUE
01:09:40 SUPERVISOR BILAL MAHMOOD WHO ALONG WITH SUPERVISOR WONG
01:09:42 CALLED THAT AND WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE SUPERVISOR
01:09:46 WONG TO OFFER HIS REMARKS AND INTRODUCE OUR PRESENTERS.
01:09:52 >> SUPERVISOR WONG, THIS FLOOR IS YOURS.
01:09:55 GOOD MORNING. THIS IS PART TWO OF THE HEARING
01:09:58 ON THE DECEMBER 20TH, 2025 PGE OUTAGE THAT ORIGINATED AT THE
01:10:03 MISSION SUBSTATION. WHEN WE LAST MET ON THIS MATTER
01:10:04 IN FEBRUARY THIS COMMITTEE CONTINUED THE HEARING AT
01:10:08 PUTIN'S REQUEST TO GIVE THE COMPANY TIME TO CONDUCT A ROOT
01:10:11 CAUSE ANALYSIS AND REPORT BACK. WE ARE HERE TODAY TO RECEIVE
01:10:12 THAT REPORT. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING
01:10:15 HERE TODAY AND I ALSO NOTICE LEADERS OF THE FOUR IBEW LOCAL
01:10:21 1245 REPRESENTING THE WORKERS AT PGE.
01:10:25 AND I WANT TO THANK THE RESIDENTS AND SMALL BUSINESS
01:10:27 OWNERS WHO HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR FIVE MONTHS FOR FOR
01:10:29 ANSWERS. WITH THAT I'D LIKE TO TURN IT
01:10:33 OVER TO PGE. ANY OBJECTION OR ACTUALLY JUST
01:10:37 I WANT TO JUST ASK A SUPERVISOR MARCO TO SAY A FEW THINGS.
01:10:41 >> THANK YOU CHAIR DORSEY AND THANK YOU SENATOR WONG
01:10:46 AND IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK HERE WITH YOU AT BUSINESS.
01:10:48 >> EARLIER THIS YEAR PGE INVITED ME TO TAKE A TOUR OF
01:10:52 THE MISSION SUBSTATION AND I GOT TO SEE THE SO-CALLED
01:10:55 INCIDENT CUBICLE WHERE THE FIRE STARTED ON DECEMBER 20TH
01:10:58 AND THE ROW OF CIRCUIT BREAKERS IDENTICAL TO THE ONE THAT
01:11:02 CAUGHT FIRE NEXT TO IT. GIVEN THE SCALE OF THIS OUTAGE,
01:11:06 I WAS EXPECTING TO SEE EVIDENCE OF A MASSIVE FIRE BUT THE
01:11:09 BREAKERS ARE ONLY A FEW FEET ON EACH SIDE AND THE DAMAGE WAS
01:11:14 CONTAINED TO THE AREA IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THE BREAKER
01:11:17 THAT CAUGHT FIRE WAS GOING THROUGH MY HEAD WAS HOW COULD
01:11:21 SUCH A SMALL BOX TAKE OUT POWER FOR 120,000 CUSTOMERS?
01:11:27 I NOTICE ON THE TOUR THAT THERE WEREN'T ANY OTHER PEOPLE AT THE
01:11:29 SUBSTATION BESIDES THOSE THAT I CAME IN WITH.
01:11:32 IT'S NOT A BUSTLING POWER PLANT WITH LOTS OF MOVING ELEMENTS
01:11:35 AND STAFF AS YOU WOULD EXPECT BUT IT IS ALMOST ALWAYS EMPTY
01:11:38 AS IT IS MONITORED AND CONTROLLED REMOTELY.
01:11:40 FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG OR PERHAPS
01:11:44 MORE IMPORTANTLY IF SOMETHING IS ABOUT TO GO WRONG HOW WOULD
01:11:47 ANYONE KNOW? >> ALL THESE QUESTIONS WERE
01:11:51 FRONT OF MY MIND AS I WAITED THE INDEPENDENT REPORT FOR THE
01:11:54 CAUSE OF THE FIRE. >> THIS REPORT HAS A LOT OF
01:11:59 GOOD PICTURES AND TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS.
01:12:00 >> LEARNING ABOUT THE ROLE OF HUMIDITY AND RAIN LIKELY PLAYED
01:12:03 IN THE FIRE IS CRITICAL NEW INFORMATION.
01:12:04 WE APPRECIATE THAT COMING TO LIGHT BUT AFTER READING THE 77
01:12:11 PAGES AND TAKING A TOUR OF THE SUBSTATION, I'M STILL NOT SURE
01:12:15 THAT PGE HAS GIVEN US A GOOD ANSWER.
01:12:16 >> AS THE QUESTION AS TO WHY SO MANY SAN FRANCISCANS
01:12:20 AND INCLUDING CONSTITUENTS IN THE TENDERLOIN AND ELSEWHERE
01:12:23 ACROSS THE CITY LOST POWER FOR AS LONG AS THEY DID AND I
01:12:27 DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER YET AS TO WHAT PGE IS
01:12:30 DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
01:12:34 >> THERE'S THREE UNDERLYING QUESTIONS THAT I BELIEVE SAN
01:12:35 FRANCISCANS DESERVE ANSWERS TO AND I HOPE WE'RE GOING TO BE
01:12:39 COVERED TODAY BY PGE. FIRST, WHAT IS PGE DOING TODAY
01:12:42 TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE FACILITIES AND THE ELECTRICAL
01:12:46 EQUIPMENT STAYS DRY? SECOND, WHAT PROCEDURES ARE
01:12:49 IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT CHRONIC SAFETY ISSUES ARE
01:12:52 CAUGHT AND PROPERLY ADDRESSED? AND FINALLY, WHAT INVESTMENTS
01:12:56 CAN SAN FRANCISCANS EXPECT PGE NEED TO MAKE FOR THE LONG TERM
01:13:00 SAFETY AND STABILITY OF THEIR POWER SYSTEM?
01:13:03 AGAIN, I THINK PGE FOUR COMMISSIONING THIS REPORT
01:13:04 AND THE STEPS THEY HAVE BEEN TAKING SO FAR BOTH INSIDE THE
01:13:08 SUBSTATION AND IN COORDINATION WITH EMERGENCY RESPONDERS THEY
01:13:11 LOOK FORWARD TO LEARNING MORE IN THE PRESENTATION
01:13:13 AND QUESTIONS AHEAD. THANK YOU.
01:13:18 SUPERVISOR WONG YOU INTRODUCE YOUR HERB JENNY.
01:13:22 >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME IN AND PRESENT?
01:13:25 >> YES, THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, CHAIR DORSEY
01:13:30 AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS SARAH YOU AND I'M
01:13:33 THE GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS MANAGER FOR THE BAY AREA REGION AT AND.
01:13:36 THANK YOU FOR INVITING US HERE TODAY.
01:13:39 WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR CONTINUED ENGAGEMENT
01:13:41 AND PARTNERSHIP FOLLOWING THE OUTAGE THAT TOOK PLACE IN SAN
01:13:44 FRANCISCO LAST DECEMBER. >> WE WANT TO AGAIN EXPRESS OUR
01:13:48 SINCEREST APOLOGIES TO OUR CUSTOMERS IN SAN FRANCISCO
01:13:52 AND OUR COMMITMENT TO SERVING THIS GREAT CITY.
01:13:53 SINCE WE LAST APPEARED BEFORE YOU IN FEBRUARY, WE HAVE BEEN
01:13:57 WORKING WITHOUT PAUSE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED AND TO
01:14:00 PREVENT THIS TYPE OF EVENT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN.
01:14:03 TODAY WE WILL SHARE THE FINDINGS OF AN INDEPENDENT
01:14:05 EXPERT INVESTIGATION INTO THE DIRECT CAUSE OF THE EVENT.
01:14:09 >> WE WILL ALSO OUTLINE THE IMMEDIATE AND ONGOING ACTIONS
01:14:13 WE HAVE TAKEN BOTH PROACTIVELY AND IN RESPONSE TO THIS REPORT
01:14:16 TO ENSURE THAT A SIMILAR EVENT DOES NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.
01:14:20 JOINING ME TODAY ARE JAKE ZUCKERMAN, REGIONAL VICE
01:14:24 PRESIDENT FOR THE BAY AREA AND RAJ BHALLA, SENIOR DIRECTOR
01:14:28 OF SUBSTATION ENGINEERING AND TESTING.
01:14:29 >> JAKE HAS 20 YEARS OF UTILITY EXPERIENCE AND RAJ HAS NEARLY
01:14:34 40 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AT PGX AND AS A LEADER IN THE
01:14:38 ENGINEERING SPACE. >> I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO
01:14:39 JAKE. >> OKAY.
01:14:49 THANK YOU SARA CHAIR DORSEY AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE
01:14:52 FOR MORE THAN 120 YEARS THROUGH EARTHQUAKES, WILDFIRES
01:14:56 AND MAJOR STORMS PGE HAS HAD THE HUMBLING PRIVILEGE OF
01:15:00 SERVING THIS CITY. WE KNOW THE ENORMOUS
01:15:03 RESPONSIBILITY THAT COMES WITH THIS PRIVILEGE.
01:15:07 LAST DECEMBER MANY OF OUR CUSTOMERS ACROSS THE CITY LOST
01:15:11 POWER. SOME FOR UP TO THREE DAYS.
01:15:12 SIMPLY PUT, THIS WAS UNACCEPTED BUT ALL OF US AT PPG ARE
01:15:16 COMMITTED TO DOING BETTER. FOR SAN FRANCISCO FAMILIES
01:15:20 AND BUSINESS OWNERS IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE OUTAGE WE
01:15:23 COMMISSIONED A DETAILED INVESTIGATION INTO THE OUTAGE
01:15:27 CAUSE SO WE COULD MAKE SURE THAT WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD
01:15:30 TO PREVENT AN EVENT LIKE THIS FROM EVER HAPPENING AGAIN.
01:15:34 TO THAT END WE ENGAGED EXPONENT A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED
01:15:35 INDUSTRY EXPERT IN ELECTRIC ENGINEERING AND ELECTRIC
01:15:39 SYSTEMS TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW.
01:15:43 >> LAST WEEK THEY PROVIDED A REPORT ON THE CAUSE OF THE
01:15:46 EVENT. >> ACTING WITH FULL
01:15:47 TRANSPARENCY, WE HAVE PROVIDED A COPY OF THAT REPORT TO THE
01:15:51 CITY AND REGULATORY OFFICIALS AND HAVE POSTED IT TO OUR
01:15:55 WEBSITE. WHILE THE REPORT IS A CRITICAL
01:15:58 STEP FOR OUR IMPROVEMENTS, WE DIDN'T WAIT TO ACT.
01:16:02 WE TOOK IMMEDIATE STEPS TO STRENGTHEN THE LOCAL GRID
01:16:05 IN THE DAYS AND WEEKS FOLLOWING THE EVENT AND WE ARE CONTINUING
01:16:09 THIS WORK TODAY. AS SARAH MENTIONED, WE ARE
01:16:10 GRATEFUL FOR THE CONTINUED PARTNERSHIP OF THE CITY
01:16:13 AND COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO. OUR LOCAL FIRST RESPONDERS
01:16:17 AND THE COMMUNITY GROUPS AND SUPERVISORS WHO HAVE
01:16:20 ENGAGED WITH US THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
01:16:21 WE KNOW THAT WE STILL HAVE WORK AHEAD OF US AND WE ARE NOT DONE
01:16:25 YET. WE ARE COMMITTED TO FOLLOWING
01:16:28 THROUGH ON ALL OF THE ITEMS RAISED IN THE CAUSE REPORT
01:16:32 AND CONTINUING TO WORK WITH EXPONENT TO INVESTIGATE
01:16:33 AND EVALUATE THE FACTORS THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THIS INCIDENT.
01:16:36 NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. >> THANK YOU.
01:16:40 BEGINNING IN DECEMBER EXPONENT CONDUCTED AN EXTENSIVE REVIEW
01:16:44 OF THE CAUSE OF THE MISSION SUBSTATION FIRE THAT CAUSED THE
01:16:48 OUTAGE. >> THIS REVIEW INCLUDED
01:16:51 FORENSIC EVIDENCE TESTING, ASSET AND COMMUNICATION LOG
01:16:55 ANALYSIS AND A FULL OPERATIONAL HISTORY AUDIT.
01:16:59 THEIR TASK WAS TO IDENTIFY THE DIRECT CAUSE OF THE FIRE
01:17:00 AND RECOMMEND STEPS TO REDUCE THE RISK OF IT HAPPENING AGAIN.
01:17:04 EXPONENT CONCLUDED THAT THE DECEMBER 20TH EVENT DID NOT
01:17:08 RESULT FROM A SINGLE DIRECT CAUSE.
01:17:12 RATHER THE EVENT MOST LIKELY OCCURRED DUE TO A FAILURE OF AN
01:17:16 INSULATING BOARD FROM A COMBINATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL,
01:17:19 PHYSICAL AND DESIGN FACTORS. WHILE THE REPORT IS QUITE
01:17:22 TECHNICAL AND DETAILED I WILL SUMMARIZE THE KEY ISSUES.
01:17:26 EXPONENT FOUND SEVERAL CONTRIBUTING FACTORS.
01:17:30 EQUIPMENT DESIGN BUILDING VENTILATION.
01:17:34 WEATHER MOISTURE AND CONTAMINATION.
01:17:37 AND HEATER DESIGN. FIRST THE BUILDING'S OPEN
01:17:41 DESIGN ALONG WITH THE SPECIFIC WEATHER PATTERN CAUSED HIGH
01:17:44 HUMIDITY INSIDE OF THE SUBSTATION.
01:17:47 THIS BUILDING DESIGN WHICH HAS BEEN USED SINCE THE 1940S
01:17:50 ALLOWS EQUIPMENT TO VENTILATE AND PROVIDES A SAFE PATH FOR
01:17:53 HEAT OR SMOKE IN THE CASE OF A FIRE.
01:17:55 >> HIGH HUMIDITY AND LOW TEMPERATURES CREATED CONDITIONS
01:17:59 FOR CONDENSATION TO OCCUR ON THE BACK OF AN INSULATING
01:18:02 BOARD. A PROTECTIVE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT
01:18:05 THE CUBICLE HEATER WHICH MIGHT HAVE MITIGATED THIS MOISTURE
01:18:10 WAS CONFIGURE CONFIGURED TO NOT BE ENERGIZED PER STANDARD SO AS
01:18:15 TO AVOID EQUIPMENT DAMAGE FROM EXCESS HEAT WHEN THE ADJACENT
01:18:18 CIRCUIT BREAKER IS ENERGIZED IN THE PRESENCE OF THIS
01:18:22 MOISTURE AND CONTAMINATION BREAKER ARMS MADE CONTACT WITH
01:18:26 THE INSULATING BOARD. THIS RESULTED IN ELECTRIC
01:18:30 TRACKING A CONDITION THAT ALLOWS ELECTRICITY TO FLOW
01:18:31 WHERE IT SHOULDN'T. THE COMBINATION OF THESE
01:18:34 CONDITIONS LED TO AN ARC FLASH WHICH LED TO THE FIRE.
01:18:38 >> DURING REGULAR INSPECTIONS PRIOR TO THE OUTAGE OUR TEAMS
01:18:42 DID IDENTIFY AND RESOLVE ISSUES AT THE SUBSTATION.
01:18:46 THESE INSPECTIONS AND OUR RESPONSE FOLLOWED INDUSTRY
01:18:49 PRACTICES. WE DID NOT SEE ANY INDICATION
01:18:53 THAT THESE ISSUES WOULD COMBINE AND RESULT IN AN INCIDENT OF
01:18:57 THIS TYPE OR EXTENT. AT THE SAME TIME THERE WERE
01:19:00 CONDITIONS IDENTIFIED IN THE REPORT THAT WERE UNACCEPTABLE
01:19:04 TO US. WHILE WE DON'T YET KNOW THE
01:19:07 EXTENT TO WHICH THEY IMPACTED THE OUTAGE, WE HAVE TAKEN
01:19:08 CORRECTIVE ACTIONS TO ADDRESS THOSE CONDITIONS AND ARE
01:19:12 ENHANCING OUR INSPECTIONS WITH THE HELP OF THIS NEW
01:19:15 INFORMATION. EXPONENT WILL CONDUCT FURTHER
01:19:19 TESTING TO ASSESS HOW ISSUES LIKE CONTAMINATION AND MOISTURE
01:19:22 MAY HAVE AFFECTED THE FAILURE OF THE INSULATING BOARD
01:19:25 AND INSIGHTS FROM THESE TESTS WILL HELP WILL HELP SHAPE
01:19:27 FUTURE STANDARDS AND TO BE VERY CLEAR.
01:19:30 WHILE WE HAD NOT ENCOUNTERED THIS SPECIFIC COMBINATION OF
01:19:35 CIRCUMSTANCES BEFORE, WE NOW CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WHAT
01:19:38 HAPPENED AND ARE PURSUING ALL AVENUES TO KEEP A SIMILAR EVENT
01:19:41 FROM HAPPENING AGAIN. THIS INCLUDES SHARING OUR
01:19:45 FINDINGS WITH OUR REGULATORS AND OTHER UTILITIES SO THAT
01:19:46 THEY CAN ALSO TAKE PREVENTATIVE MEASURES.
01:19:49 WE ARE ALSO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH EXPONENT TO LEARN MORE
01:19:53 ABOUT THESE DIFFERENT FACTORS AND WE WILL SHARE FURTHER
01:19:54 FINDINGS AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE.
01:19:59 AS I MENTIONED EARLIER WE DID NOT WAIT FOR THIS REPORT TO
01:20:04 TAKE ACTION THINKING CHANGE SLIDES AND THANK YOU JULIA.
01:20:08 >> WE ARE TAKING A SERIES OF IMMEDIATE AND SIGNIFICANT
01:20:11 ACTIONS TO IMPROVE LOCAL RELIABILITY RESILIENCY
01:20:15 AND SERVICE FOR OUR SAN FRANCISCO CUSTOMERS.
01:20:16 >> THESE ACTIONS ALSO ADDRESS THE KEY FINDINGS IN THE
01:20:20 EXPONENT REPORT. >> FIRST, WE HAVE COMPLETED
01:20:23 MORE THAN 3000 ENHANCED INSPECTIONS ACROSS ALL 31 SAN
01:20:26 FRANCISCO SUBSTATIONS INCLUDING DRONE INSPECTIONS AND STRESS
01:20:30 TESTING OF KEY EQUIPMENT. GOING FORWARD WE ARE CONDUCTING
01:20:35 MORE THAN 300 ADDITIONAL TRANSFORMER AND BREAKER TESTS
01:20:38 MORE THAN 3000 INFRARED ASSET INSPECTIONS AND UPDATING
01:20:42 TRAINING AND INSPECTION PROCESSES FOR ALL SAN FRANCISCO
01:20:46 INSPECTORS. SECOND, WE HAVE SERVICED ALL 31
01:20:49 SUBSTATIONS AND COMPLETED MORE THAN 1500 PRIORITY MAINTENANCE
01:20:53 UPGRADES. THIS INCLUDES ADDITIONAL
01:20:57 WEATHERPROOFING FOR ALL 16 INDOOR SUBSTATIONS IN SAN
01:20:58 FRANCISCO. FINALLY, WE'VE STRENGTHENED
01:21:01 MONITORING AND SITUATION AWARENESS ACROSS OUR ELECTRIC
01:21:06 SYSTEM. THIS INCLUDES CONTINUOUS
01:21:08 TEMPERATURE AND HUMIDITY MONITOR MONITORING AT ALL
01:21:10 INDOOR SUBSTATIONS AND PROACTIVE DAILY FAULT
01:21:13 RECORDER MONITORING. WE ARE ALSO INSTALLING NEW
01:21:17 SENSORS ON CIRCUITS DEPLOYING NEW CABINET HEATER THERMOSTATS
01:21:21 REPLACING PRIORITY RELAY CABINETS AND HAVE DIGITIZED
01:21:25 AND SHARED SUBSTATION PLANS WITH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PARTNERS
01:21:29 . ALONG WITH PREVENTING ANOTHER
01:21:29 SIMILAR INCIDENT. THIS WORK IS EXPECTED TO
01:21:33 MEANINGFULLY IMPROVE DAY TO DAY RELIABILITY FOR RESIDENTS,
01:21:36 SMALL BUSINESSES AND ESSENTIAL SERVICES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
01:21:40 NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. >> I WANT TO REITERATE OUR
01:21:44 COMMITMENT TO SAN FRANCISCO CUSTOMERS SERVING THE CITY OF
01:21:47 SAN FRANCISCO IS A PRIVILEGE AND IT DEMANDS THE HIGHEST
01:21:51 STANDARDS OF SAFETY, RELIABILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
01:21:55 WE HAVE HEARD FROM CUSTOMERS COMMUNITY GROUPS, MERCHANT
01:21:59 ASSOCIATIONS AND LOCAL LEADERS AND WE KNOW WE CAN DO BETTER.
01:22:03 THAT INCLUDES CONTINUING TO WORK WITH EXPONENT TO LEARN
01:22:06 MORE ABOUT THIS EVENT AND APPLYING INSIGHT'S SYSTEM
01:22:10 WIDE TO STRENGTHEN RELIABILITY BROADLY.
01:22:11 >> WE WILL CONTINUE TO ENGAGE TRANSPARENTLY WITH REGULATORS,
01:22:15 ELECTED LEADERS AND THE COMMUNITY AT EVERY STEP
01:22:18 AND WE'LL SHARE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS IT IS AVAILABLE.
01:22:21 WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO PARTNER WITH THIS COMMITTEE
01:22:25 CITY LEADERSHIP AND OUR CUSTOMERS IN PURSUIT OF OUR
01:22:26 SHARED GOAL DELIVERING SAFER, AFFORDABLE AND RELIABLE ENERGY
01:22:30 TO EVERY PERSON IN THIS GREAT CITY AND COUNTY.
01:22:34 THANK YOU. >> AND WE WELCOME YOUR
01:22:36 QUESTIONS. >> HEY.
01:22:41 THANK YOU, JENNIFER. THAT PRESENTATION I WANT TO BE
01:22:45 DIRECT ABOUT WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY AT PEONIES A REQUEST.
01:22:49 THIS COMMITTEE CONTINUED OUR HEARING FROM FEBRUARY TO GIVE
01:22:52 THEM MORE TIME TO CONDUCT A ROOT CAUSE ANALYSIS.
01:22:56 WE EXTENDED THAT COURTESY BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO KNOW NOT
01:22:59 JUST WHAT FAILED INSIDE ONE CUBICLE BUT HOW A SEEMINGLY
01:23:03 ISOLATED FIRE AT ONE SUBSTATION CASCADED INTO A CITYWIDE
01:23:04 BLACKOUT. THIS IS WHAT TODAY'S HEARING
01:23:08 WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT. INSTEAD THIS FOCUS THIS REPORT
01:23:12 FOCUSES NARROWLY ON THE IMMEDIATE CAUSE OF THE OUTAGE
01:23:15 RATHER THAN THE ROOT CAUSES OF THE EVENT.
01:23:18 THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ASKING WHAT FAILED AND ASKING
01:23:20 WHY IT WAS ALLOWED TO FAIL. SO WHILE PEONIES DRY CAUSE
01:23:24 REPORT EXPLAINS WHAT PHYSICALLY FAILED INSIDE THE CUBICLE, IT
01:23:27 DOES NOT EXPLAIN WHY LOSING ONE CUBICLE TOOK DOWN SERVICE TO
01:23:33 120,000 PEOPLE. IT DOES NOT EXPLAIN WHY
01:23:34 RESTORATION TOOK THREE DAYS FOR SOME CUSTOMERS AND IT DOES NOT
01:23:38 EXPLAIN WHY NEIGHBORING SUBSTATIONS COULD NOT ABSORB
01:23:41 EMISSIONS LOAD. WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT MANAGEMENT
01:23:45 AND OVERSIGHT DECISIONS ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN.
01:23:48 WE NEED TO KNOW WHETHER THE SAME CONDITIONS EXIST AT OTHER
01:23:53 CRITICAL SUBSTATIONS IN THE CITY AND WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT
01:23:54 PGE INTENDS TO DO ABOUT IT. SO TODAY THIS IS ABOUT
01:23:58 CONTINUING THE WORK. THIS HEARING WAS SCHEDULED TO
01:24:02 DO AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO FURTHER
01:24:08 LOOK INTO THESE THESE ISSUES. AND I KNOW SUPERVISOR MAHMOOD
01:24:12 MAY HAVE TO STEP OUT A LITTLE BIT SOONER THAN ME SO I WANTED
01:24:15 TO PASS ON TO HIM TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS.
01:24:17 >> THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR WONG. SO AS WONG RAISED I WAS SURE
01:24:23 SOME SIMILAR CONCERN ABOUT UNDERSTANDING.
01:24:28 IT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW THAT SOME CONTEXT INTO WHY THE BREAKER
01:24:31 FAILED BUT IT'S NOT EXPLAINING WHY IT CASCADED IN 220,000
01:24:36 PEOPLE LOSING POWER. I'LL LET SUAREZ WONG TO DIVE
01:24:40 IN TO THAT NEXT. I'LL HAVE TO DIVE IN A LITTLE
01:24:43 BIT MORE INTO THE WHAT YOU DID TALK ABOUT IN THE REPORT AND IN
01:24:47 THE SCOPE OF THE REPORT AND WHAT YOU DIDN'T SAY IN THAT
01:24:48 CONTEXT. >> SO YOU MENTIONED THAT A
01:24:50 BREAKER PARTICULARLY FAILED. WHY DID THIS PARTICULAR BREAKER
01:24:54 FAIL? GIVEN YOU'RE SAYING THERE WAS
01:24:58 GENERAL HUMIDITY AND MOISTURE CONCERNS IN THE ENTIRE
01:25:01 BUILDING, WHY DID THIS PARTICULAR ONE FAIL OR WAS IT
01:25:04 JUST RANDOM CHANCE? >> SUPERVISOR THANK YOU FOR THE
01:25:09 QUESTION. I'LL LET RAJ JUMP IN AND
01:25:12 PROVIDE SOME MORE CONTEXT AND TECHNICAL COLOR BUT TO
01:25:16 START THE THE REPORT DID NOT FIND THAT THE CIRCUIT BREAKER
01:25:20 FAILED. THAT WAS NOT A CAUSE OF THE
01:25:23 FIRE AND THE SUBSEQUENT OUTAGE. WHAT THE REPORT CONCLUDED WAS
01:25:27 THAT THERE WAS NO SINGLE FACTOR THAT LED TO THIS OUTAGE OR THE
01:25:31 EVENT. >> IT WAS RATHER A COMBINATION
01:25:38 OF FACTORS COMING TOGETHER ALL AT ONCE THAT LED TO THE
01:25:40 DETERIORATION OF THE INSULATING BOARD WHICH AGAIN WAS WAS
01:25:43 AND THE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS TO THAT WERE A COMBINATION OF
01:25:47 MECHANICAL, ENVIRONMENTAL AND DESIGN.
01:25:51 >> THE BREAKER FAILED THOUGH, RIGHT?
01:25:52 CAUGHT FIRE. ONE CAN YOU CAN ADDRESS THIS.
01:25:54 >> YEAH. SO SUPERVISOR MEMO THE BREAKER
01:25:55 DID NOT FAIL. OKAY.
01:25:58 BREAKER IN THE CELL DID NOT FAIL BREAKER AT THE TIME OF
01:26:02 THIS INCIDENT WAS AN OPEN POSITION SO IT WAS NOT CARRYING
01:26:06 ANY ENERGY OR ANYTHING. >> THERE'S A BOARD BEHIND AS
01:26:10 YOU SAW THAT WE TRACKED THOSE BREAKERS IN AND OUT.
01:26:13 THE BOARD IS IN THE BACK OF IT AS NOTED IN THE REPORT THAT
01:26:16 INSULATING BOARD WITH THE FACTORS THERE WAS A BREAKER ARM
01:26:23 MAKING A CONTACT WITH THE BOARD WHICH WAS PUTTING ELECTRICAL
01:26:28 STRESS ON THE BOARD. AND THERE WAS CONTAMINATION
01:26:31 AND MOISTURE THAT GOT IN BACK OF THE BOARD AND ENDED UP
01:26:35 CREATING ELECTRICAL ARC WHICH IS THE DIRECT CAUSE.
01:26:39 I GUESS CLARIFY THE CIRCUIT BOARD FAILED THE INSULATING
01:26:43 BOARD INSULATING BOARD FAN? >> YES.
01:26:46 OKAY. THERE'S MANY INSULATING BOARDS
01:26:47 IN THE FACILITY. WHY DID THAT PARTICULAR ONE
01:26:50 CAUSE TO CATCH FIRE? WELL, ONE OF THE FACTORS IS
01:26:54 THAT THERE WAS A CONTACT OF THE BOARD WITH THE BREAKER ARM SO
01:27:01 BREAKER ARM WHICH IS ENERGIZED AT 12,000V WAS CONTACTING THE.
01:27:04 SO THAT WAS COMPLETELY RANDOM. >> YEAH.
01:27:09 SO THESE INSULATING BOARDS ARE ELECTRICALLY YOU KNOW, DESIGNED
01:27:16 TO HANDLE THE STRESS. >> YOU KNOW, THEY ARE WHAT WE
01:27:20 CALL THOSE THAT HAVE A VERY HIGH RESISTIVE VALUE.
01:27:23 BUT THAT WAS CONTACT WAS THERE IN ADDITION WITH MOISTURE
01:27:28 AND THAT CONTAMINATION THAT AS NOTED IN THE EXPONENT WROTE
01:27:32 THAT IN THE BACK OF THE BOARD CREATED THE CONDITIONS THAT
01:27:38 ENDED UP CREATING ELECTRICAL ARC.
01:27:39 >> SO YOU HAD AN INSPECTION OF THIS SITE A MONTH PRIOR TO THE
01:27:43 INCIDENT AND THE INSPECTION REVEALED THAT THERE WAS DAMAGE
01:27:47 TO THE INSULATOR PLATE ALREADY .
01:27:51 IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
01:27:54 SO IF YOU ALREADY KNEW THE MONTH PRIOR TO THIS EVENT THAT
01:27:58 THERE WAS DAMAGE, WHY WAS THAT PLATE NOT REMOVED AND REPLACED
01:28:02 IMMEDIATELY? >> SO OUR CREWS BASED ON THEIR
01:28:06 SKILL AND EXPERIENCE THEY ARE ABLE TO EVALUATE WHETHER THAT
01:28:10 BOARD NEED TO BE REPLACED OR NOT.
01:28:13 YES, THERE IS A SMALL PART OF DEGRADATION ON THAT BOARD THAT
01:28:18 WAS THERE BEFORE THIS INCIDENT. >> BUT AT THAT TIME THEY
01:28:22 CLEANED THE CUBICLE. THEY CLEANED THE FRONT OF THE
01:28:26 BOARD AND THEY DEEMED IT OKAY TO ENERGIZE IT BACK.
01:28:32 >> WOULD YOU SAY IT WAS NOT OKAY THEN TO BE NOT REPLACED?
01:28:37 >> WELL, WHEN IT DID FAIL IT DID FAIL BECAUSE OF THE
01:28:38 MOISTURE AND THE CONTAMINATION IN BACK OF THE BOARD AND THAT
01:28:45 IS NOT VISIBLE TO OUR CREWS WHILE THEY'RE PERFORMING THE
01:28:49 SERVICE OR DOING THE INSPECTION.
01:28:50 >> SO YOU'RE SAYING THE FACT THAT THIS HAPPENED A MONTH
01:28:53 PRIOR WAS NOT CAUSE ENOUGH FOR YOU TO BELIEVE IT WOULD CAUSE A
01:28:54 FIRE BUT IT STILL DID? IF I COULD IF I COULD JUMP
01:28:58 IN SUPERVISOR THANK YOU FOR THE LINE OF QUESTIONING.
01:29:04 STEPPING BACK A BIT. THE THE REPORT CONCLUDED THAT
01:29:08 THERE WERE NO FAILURES TO ACT ON PREVIOUS INSPECTION FINDINGS
01:29:12 . THE INSPECTION STANDARD AT THAT
01:29:13 TIME IS ALIGNED WITH INDUSTRY PRACTICES.
01:29:16 AND LIKE RAJ MENTIONED WE DO WE ENABLE AND EMPOWER OUR
01:29:20 FRONTLINE QUALIFIED ELECTRICAL WORKERS TO TO USE THEIR BEST
01:29:24 JUDGMENT AND THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE TO TO MAKE THAT
01:29:27 DETERMINATION. AND BASED ON THE INSPECTION
01:29:31 STANDARDS AT THAT TIME AND BEING ALIGNED WITH INDUSTRY
01:29:35 PRACTICE, WE WOULD NOT HAVE EXPECTED TO TO SEE ANY
01:29:39 INDICATION THAT THIS COMBINATION OF EVENTS WOULD.
01:29:43 >> I'LL REFRAME THE QUESTION IF YOU REPLACE THE BOARD.
01:29:44 I UNDERSTAND THAT INDUSTRY PROTOCOL.
01:29:47 BUT IF YOU HAD REPLACED IT, WOULD THAT HAVE MINIMIZED THE
01:29:50 LIKELIHOOD THIS WOULD HAVE CAUGHT FIRE A MONTH LATER?
01:29:54 DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT? IN HINDSIGHT HINDSIGHT'S 2020
01:29:57 BUT WOULD NOT HAVE FIXED THE PROBLEM.
01:29:58 >> YEAH. AS MR. HYDE SAID, IT'S 120.
01:30:02 WE CAN'T SAY THAT IF WE WOULD HAVE REPLACED THE BOARD
01:30:05 AND SAME CONTACT AND SAME CONDITIONS THAT LED TO THAT
01:30:12 CONDENSATION OF BACK OF THE BOARD WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED
01:30:14 WOULD GET TO THAT. >> I MEAN I THINK IF I IF I
01:30:18 COULD ADD WHAT THE REPORT WAS VERY CLEAR ABOUT IS IT WAS THIS
01:30:20 COMBINATION OF FACTORS COMING TOGETHER THAT CAUSED THIS.
01:30:24 WE HAVE SINCE TAKEN A NUMBER OF STEPS AS WE MENTIONED TO
01:30:27 MITIGATE THOSE CONDITIONS FROM FROM BEING POSSIBLE IN THE
01:30:29 SUBSTATION BETWEEN THE HUMIDITY CONTROLS AND MONITORING THE
01:30:35 TEMPERATURE CONTROLS AND MONITORING THE HEATING
01:30:36 THERMOSTAT THAT NOW CONTROLS THE CUBICLE HEATERS.
01:30:39 WE HAVE TAKEN THE APPROPRIATE STEPS TO CONTROL THE
01:30:43 ENVIRONMENT INSIDE OF THAT SUBSTATION AS WELL.
01:30:44 >> AND AGAIN, I THINK I HEAR THAT I THINK IT JUST DOESN'T TO
01:30:50 THE COMMON PERSON WHEN YOU HEAR THAT SOMETHING CAUSED SOMETHING
01:30:51 SIMILAR HAPPENED THE MONTH BEFORE YOU WOULD EXPECT TO BE
01:30:54 CHANGE AND DOESN'T TAKE A SOPHISTICATED DEGREE TO BELIEVE
01:30:57 IT'S TROUBLING TO HAVE WATER NEAR EQUIPMENT CARRYING 12,000V
01:31:01 OF ELECTRICITY. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT COULD
01:31:05 HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. SO I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE SAYING
01:31:07 IT'S MULTIPLE FACTORS. THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THEM.
01:31:12 WHAT MEASURES ARE SPECIFICALLY BEEN TAKEN TO PREVENT THE WATER
01:31:16 ACCUMULATION IN THE BASEMENT FROM HAPPENING AS IN MULTIPLE
01:31:17 FACTORS? THAT CLEARLY IS ONE OF THEM
01:31:19 THAT KEEPS COMING UP AS THE HUMIDITY AND CONDENSATION.
01:31:20 WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC MEASURES YOU'VE TAKEN TO MAKE SURE THIS
01:31:24 DOESN'T YOU DON'T HAVE THIS HUMIDITY AND WATER ACCUMULATION
01:31:27 AGAIN? >> YEAH, AS I MENTIONED IN THE
01:31:28 OPENING THERE'S THERE'S A NUMBER OF THEM.
01:31:33 SO INSTALLING DEHUMIDIFIERS, INSTALLING REMOTE REAL TIME
01:31:37 MONITORING FOR BOTH TEMPERATURE AND RELATIVE HUMIDITY.
01:31:41 INSTALLING THERMOSTAT CONTROLS ON THE HEATERS THEMSELVES TO
01:31:45 MANAGE THE THE TEMPERATURE AND THE MOISTURE LEVELS.
01:31:48 AND WHAT ELSE AM I YEAH SO SURPRISED MY MOOD.
01:31:52 >> WE AS JAKE SAID WE HAVE INSTALLED TEMPERATURE MONITORS
01:31:59 AND HUMIDITY MONITORS IN ALL OF OUR 16 INDOOR SUBSTATION IN SAN
01:32:04 FRANCISCO. >> WE HAVE INSTALLED SPACE
01:32:08 HEATERS AND DEHUMIDIFIERS TO ADDRESS ANY LOW TEMPS
01:32:14 AND HUMIDITY CONCERNS AT. >> AND WE ARE WORKING WITH THE
01:32:19 ENGINEERING FIRM TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS
01:32:22 INSIDE ALL OF SAN FRANCISCO SUBSTATION SO WE CAN PUT PROPER
01:32:26 CONTROLS IN THERE WHETHER IT'S THAT WE TO WHETHER IT'S HEATING
01:32:31 THAT IS HUMIDITY CONTROLS. SO WE ARE THAT DOING THAT AS WE
01:32:38 SPEAK NOW THAT'S HAPPENING. >> SO YEAH, THERE'S ANOTHER
01:32:39 SUBSTATION IN MY DISTRICT ON LARKIN STREET ARE THE SAME
01:32:41 CHANGES YOU'RE MAKING AT AT THIS SUBSTATION ARE YOU MAKING
01:32:45 THE SAME CHANGES TO EVERY SUBSTATION IN THE CITY?
01:32:46 >> WE HAVE 16 INDOOR SUBSTATIONS IN THE CITY.
01:32:49 THERE ARE TOTAL 31 OUT OF IT. >> 16 ARE INDOORS EACH INDOORS
01:32:55 SUBSTATION. WE ARE MAKING THESE CHANGES.
01:32:56 HAVE YOU ALREADY MADE THE CHANGES OR YOU'RE STILL IN THE
01:32:59 PROGRESS OF IT? >> WE HAVE PUT THE HUMIDITY
01:33:03 AND TEMPERATURE MONITORS IN ALL OF THE 16 SUBSTATIONS.
01:33:05 WE HAVE PUT THAT UNIT KNOW TEMPORARY HEATERS DEHUMIDIFIERS
01:33:09 IN ALL OF THEM AND AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE ENGAGING WITH AS I
01:33:14 SAID, THE ENGINEERING COMPANY TO EVALUATE THE ENVIRONMENTAL
01:33:17 CONTROL IN ALL OF THE 16 SUBSTATION AND GOING TO MAKE
01:33:22 THE CORRECTIVE ACTIONS I SUGGESTED.
01:33:25 >> UNDERSTOOD. SO I THINK YOU'RE MAKING THESE
01:33:27 PRECAUTIONS NOW AND AGAIN, I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE ME NOT
01:33:30 TO REITERATE THAT THIS FIRE HAPPENED ON THE SAME DAY OF THE
01:33:34 SAME MONTH TWICE YEARS APART. CLEARLY THERE'S SOME
01:33:37 SEASONALITY OR WEATHER CONDITIONS THAT HAPPEN
01:33:40 RECURRING ON A RECURRING BASIS AROUND THIS TIME IS AN ANOMALY
01:33:42 OR NOT NOT. >> CAN YOU COMMIT TO ME THAT
01:33:45 THE NEXT TIME WE GET TO THAT SAME DATE IN DECEMBER THAT THE
01:33:51 LIGHTS AREN'T GOING TO GO OUT AGAIN?
01:33:55 >> THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO
01:34:00 CONTEXT CONTEXTUALIZE THIS A LITTLE BIT.
01:34:01 THE THE PREVIOUS FIRES THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO WERE CAUSED
01:34:06 BY VERY DIFFERENT THINGS COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO WHAT
01:34:10 OCCURRED IN IN DECEMBER. >> AND WE WE HAVE TAKEN THE
01:34:15 STEPS TO REMEMBER THE DECEMBER THE MISSION SUBSTATION HAS BEEN
01:34:21 COMPLETELY RECONFIGURED. IT WAS ESSENTIALLY REBUILT BACK
01:34:25 IN 2010. THOSE PREVIOUS FIRES WERE WERE
01:34:26 UNRELATED. AND EXPONENT DIDN'T FIND THAT
01:34:30 ANY OF THE ISSUES RELATED TO THE PREVIOUS FIRES HAD ANYTHING
01:34:36 TO DO WITH WHAT OCCURRED IN IN DECEMBER.
01:34:40 SO WE ARE WE ARE FOCUSED ON MOVING FORWARD.
01:34:42 WE'RE FOCUSED ON TAKING ALL THE MITIGATION STEPS THAT RAJ HAS
01:34:45 ALREADY MENTIONED. AS HE SAID, WE'VE ALREADY WE'VE
01:34:48 ALREADY DEPLOYED A NUMBER OF THOSE MITIGATIONS AND HAVE MORE
01:34:52 ON THE WAY. >> YES OR NO QUESTION.
01:34:55 >> THIS HAPPENED ON THE SAME DATE YEARS APART.
01:34:57 CAN YOU COMMIT TO ME THAT THE PREVENTIVE MEASURES THAT YOU'RE
01:35:00 TAKING AND THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOT GOING TO CAUSE ANOTHER FIRE
01:35:04 ON THE SAME DAY OF THE SAME MONTH OR ANY DAY OF THE YEAR?
01:35:08 >> AGAIN, WE CAN COMMIT TO YOU THAT WE ARE WE ARE TAKING THE
01:35:12 THE FINDINGS OF THE REPORT VERY SERIOUSLY AND ARE COMMITTED TO
01:35:15 TAKING ACTION ON ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO PREVENT THIS
01:35:19 COMBINATION OF FACTORS COMING TOGETHER TO PREVENT THE TWO
01:35:22 THAT CAUSED THE FIRE AND THE OUTAGE THAT WE ARE TAKING STEPS
01:35:27 TO ENSURE THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE TODAY AND WILL NOT HAPPEN
01:35:31 IN THE FUTURE. >> SO YOU'RE MAKING YOUR BEST
01:35:34 EFFORT BUT YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE TO ME THAT THIS IS GOING TO
01:35:36 DEFINITIVELY CAUSE THIS NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.
01:35:38 AS I SAID, WE ARE WE ARE TAKING WE ARE WE HAVE TAKEN IT VERY
01:35:43 SERIOUSLY AND WHERE WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO
01:35:47 ENSURE TO UNDERSTAND THE FINDINGS IN THE REPORT, LEARN
01:35:50 AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE HAVE ALREADY DEPLOYED A NUMBER OF OF
01:35:54 STEPS TO CORRECT THAT AND WE'LL ENSURE THAT WHAT CAUSED THIS
01:35:58 FIRE WILL NOT CAUSE ANOTHER FIRE.
01:36:01 >> JUST YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GET AN A FOR EFFORT IN HELPING
01:36:03 PEOPLE RESTORE THEIR POWER IN SAN FRANCISCO.
01:36:05 LIVES ARE ON THE LINE AND WE HOPE YOU CONTINUE TO DO MORE TO
01:36:10 MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
01:36:13 >> OKAY. THANK YOU.
01:36:14 SUPERVISOR MCCAMMOND I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AS AS WELL.
01:36:20 >> UM, SIX WEEKS BEFORE THE DECEMBER 20TH FIRE ON NOVEMBER
01:36:27 2ND 2025 PGE PERFORM AN INSPECTION IN THE SAME CUBICLE
01:36:31 THAT LATER FAILED THAT INSPECTION LED.
01:36:32 YOU NEED TO REMOVE THE CIRCUIT BREAKER THAT WAS THERE
01:36:35 AND REPLACE IT WITH THE PARTICULAR CIRCUIT BREAKER THAT
01:36:39 ULTIMATELY CAUGHT ON FIRE. >> IS THAT CORRECT?
01:36:42 YES. >> SO SUPERVISOR WE WANT TO
01:36:43 REITERATE THE BREAKER DID NOT CATCH FIRE.
01:36:48 SO BREAKER THAT WAS PLACED IN THAT CELL AS PART OF THE
01:36:54 EXPONENT REPORT HAD NO ROLE IN THE FIRE FROM THE REPORTS
01:37:01 DURING THAT NOVEMBER INSPECTION AND HE FOUND CONDENSATION
01:37:05 IN HARD WATER MINERAL DEPOSITS ON THE EQUIPMENT ALONG WITH
01:37:09 BURN SPOTS AND WARPING ON THE INSULATION BOARD INSIDE THAT
01:37:10 CUBICLE THE SAME INSULATION BOARD THAT THIS REPORT HAS NOW
01:37:14 IDENTIFIED AS THE MOST LIKELY DIRECT CAUSE OF THE DECEMBER
01:37:19 20TH FIRE. >> IS THAT ACCURATE?
01:37:23 >> SO YES, THAT IS ACCURATE BUT OUR CREWS AT THAT TIME WERE
01:37:30 WORKING IN THAT CUBICLE TO PERFORM A SERVICE ON THAT
01:37:35 BREAKER WHILE THEY WERE PERFORMING SERVICE THEY SAW THE
01:37:38 CONDITION OF THE EXISTING BREAKER AND THEY SAW THE
01:37:42 MOISTURE IN THE CUBICLE. THEY CLEANED THE MOISTURE, THEY
01:37:46 CLEANED THE BACKBOARD. THEY TOOK THAT BACKBOARD
01:37:49 AND THEY AT THAT TIME THEY DEEMED THAT IT WAS OKAY TO
01:37:53 REPLACE THE BREAKER WITH ANOTHER BREAKER THAT WAS PAST
01:37:57 THE MAX SERVICE THAT AND THEY RE-ENERGISE THAT CUBICLE.
01:38:01 >> YET THERE'S MOISTURE AND CONDENSATION ON THE
01:38:04 ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT SO YOU KNOW SEEING BURNING SPOTS
01:38:09 AND WARPING ON THE INSULATION BOARD I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD
01:38:12 BE A BIG ISSUE AND IT'S VERY CONCERNING AS AS WELL AS THE
01:38:20 SAME MOISTURE THAT JUST SEEMS ON A ON A BOARD FOR ELECTRICAL
01:38:23 BOARD THAT JUST SEEMS VERY CONCERNED.
01:38:27 MAYBE I'M NOT USING THE RIGHT TECHNICAL TERM BUT ANYTHING
01:38:29 WITH CONDENSATION AND ELECTRICITY THAT BRINGS UP
01:38:31 RED FLAGS FOR ME. >> YES.
01:38:38 SO WE WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE MOISTURE IS A CONCERN IN ANY
01:38:41 ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT AND THEN THE RESPONSE WAS TO SWAP OUT
01:38:48 THE INSPECTED BREAKER RATHER THAN REPLACING THE BURNED
01:38:52 AND WARPED INSULATION BOARD. THE SOLUTION WAS TO WIPE DOWN
01:38:56 THE FRONT OF THE BOARD JUST THE FRONT HOWEVER THE BACK OF THE
01:38:57 BOARD THE SIDE FACING THE EQUIPMENT THAT ULTIMATELY
01:39:01 CAUSED THE FIRE WAS NEVER INSPECTED OR CLEANED.
01:39:04 >> IS THAT CORRECT? >> SO INSULATING BOARD THE BACK
01:39:11 OF THE BOARD IS NOT VISIBLE BECAUSE IT FACES THE ENERGIZED
01:39:15 PIECES OF EQUIPMENT. SO IT CANNOT BE SEEN
01:39:19 AND INDUSTRY PRACTICES IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOARD'S CLEAN THE
01:39:24 FRONT OF IT CLEANED THE CUBICLE AND IT AND IF IF IT IS YOU KNOW
01:39:31 DEEMED BASED ON THE SKILL EXPERIENCE AND TRAINING THAT IT
01:39:35 IS ADEQUATE, THE CREWS WILL LEAVE IT IN THERE
01:39:39 AND RE-ENERGIZE BACK. >> DID IT OCCUR TO FOR YOU NEED
01:39:43 TO CHECK THE BACK OF THE BOARD THOUGH A SUPERVISOR AS AS RAJ
01:39:49 MENTIONED THAT'S NOT PART OF THE INSPECTION STANDARD OR
01:39:56 ALIGNED WITH INDUSTRY PRACTICE AND AGAIN BUT IF I COULD STEP
01:40:00 BACK A LITTLE BIT AND SPEAK TO THE REPORT AND THE SOME OF THE
01:40:04 CONDITIONS THAT IT IDENTIFIED AND THAT THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT
01:40:11 THE REPORT IDENTIFIED SOME CONDITIONS THAT WERE
01:40:15 UNACCEPTABLE TO US. WE OWN THAT WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE
01:40:19 FOR THAT AND WE NEED TO DO BETTER AND WE ARE DOING BETTER.
01:40:20 WE ARE WE KNOW THAT SOME OF THOSE SITUATIONS NEEDED TO BE
01:40:24 MITIGATED. WE HAVE TAKEN THE STEPS TO TO
01:40:28 IMPROVE TO IMPROVE THOSE CONDITIONS AND ENSURE THEY ARE
01:40:32 NOT PRESENT. BUT WE KNOW THAT SOME THERE
01:40:35 WERE SOME CONDITIONS FOUND THAT JUST WERE NOT ACCEPTABLE TO US
01:40:38 AND IT'S OUR ROLE AND OUR ACCOUNTABILITY TO ENSURE THAT
01:40:42 THEY DON'T HAPPEN AGAIN AND THAT WE ARE IMPROVING THE
01:40:45 RESILIENCY AND THE RELIABILITY TO CUSTOMERS IN SAN FRANCISCO.
01:40:49 >> OKAY. BUT PGE SAW WHAT WAS CLASSIFIED
01:40:53 AS WATER DAMAGE. IS IT INDUSTRY PRACTICE TO
01:40:58 INVESTIGATE OR IDENTIFY THE SOURCE OF THE WATER THAT WAS
01:41:01 THE PROBLEM BEFORE PUTTING THE EQUIPMENT BACK INTO SERVICE.
01:41:07 SO CREW DID AS NOTED IN THE REPORT LOOK AT OTHER PLACES
01:41:12 AND AT THAT TIME THEY MADE A DECISION TO WIPE THAT SAW WIPE
01:41:19 THE BACK OF THE BOARD AND THEY SEE THAT YET THEY MITIGATED THE
01:41:27 CONDITIONS AND AT THAT TIME THEY DECIDED TO, YOU KNOW,
01:41:32 REPLACE THE BREAKER AND ENERGIZE BACK.
01:41:35 >> OKAY. ACCORDING TO THE REPORT,
01:41:39 MISSION SUBSTATION IS VENTILATED WITH UNCONDITIONED
01:41:42 OUTSIDE AIR. THE AIR INSIDE THE BUILDING HAS
01:41:43 THE SAME HUMIDITY AS THE AIR OUTSIDE.
01:41:47 SO WHEN IT RAINS IN SAN FRANCISCO, WOULD YOU SAY IT'S
01:41:51 REASONABLE TO EXPECT THAT THE MOISTURE COULD ENTER THE
01:41:52 SUBSTATION AND THAT CONDENSATION COULD FORM INSIDE
01:41:58 ? >> BUT I CAN MAYBE I CAN START
01:41:59 HERE AND RAJ CAN JUMP IN. >> YES, SUPERVISOR YOU'RE
01:42:02 POINTING TO A DESIGN THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR MANY YEARS
01:42:09 AND I THINK ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS TO TO
01:42:10 CONTEXTUAL EYES HERE IS IS AGAIN THIS WAS A THIS WAS A
01:42:16 COMBINATION OF FACTORS ALL COMING TOGETHER AT ONCE IN A
01:42:19 WAY THAT THE THAT THAT THERE WAS NO INDICATION FOR THIS
01:42:26 SUBSTATION HAS BEEN OPERATING IN THIS CONFIGURATION WITH THIS
01:42:30 PARTICULAR SET OF EQUIPMENT SINCE IT WAS REBUILT IN 2010.
01:42:36 AND SO IT HAS BEEN EXPOSED TO ALL MANNER OF SAN FRANCISCO
01:42:40 WEATHER PATTERNS FOR FOR THE LAST 1516 YEARS.
01:42:44 THAT'S SAID WE KNOW THAT THE LEVEL OF MOISTURE IN IN THE
01:42:51 BUILDING WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE WHICH IS WHY WE'VE TAKEN THE
01:42:55 THE THE NUMBER OF STEPS WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THAT MOISTURE
01:42:59 DOES NOT GET TO PROBLEMATIC LEVELS.
01:43:03 >> YEAH WHAT ONE THING SUPERVISOR I WANT TO MENTION
01:43:07 THAT WE WE HAVE HEATERS INSIDE THE CELLS AND WE HAVE A SET UP
01:43:14 WHERE IF ONE OF THE BREAKERS INSIDE THE CELL IS ENERGIZED
01:43:17 THAT HEATERS DON'T OPERATE AS JAKE SHARED IN HIS OPENING
01:43:22 COMMENT THOSE ARE THERE TO ADDRESS ANY MOISTURE
01:43:28 AND MITIGATE ANY HUMIDITY CONCERNS.
01:43:29 WE DEFINITELY ARE LEARNING FROM THIS INCIDENT THAT MOISTURE
01:43:33 HAPPENED IN THE BACK OF THE BOARD.
01:43:36 AS I CAN TELL YOU IN MY LAST 40 YEARS I HAVE NOT SEEN MOISTURE
01:43:43 ON A INSULATING BOARD START TO TRACK AND CREATE THIS INCIDENT.
01:43:47 DEFINITELY WE LEARN FROM IT AND WE ARE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS
01:43:51 AND WE ARE MAKING CHANGES TO MAKE IT THIS TYPE OF INCIDENT
01:43:55 NOT HAPPEN AGAIN. OKAY.
01:43:58 OUTSIDE WEATHER ASIDE, ONE OF THE WAYS THAT YOU MANAGE
01:44:02 CONDENSATION IN THE BUILDING DEPENDS ON THE VENTILATION
01:44:04 SYSTEM ACTUALLY WORKING ON DECEMBER 20TH THE SYSTEM WAS
01:44:07 NOT WORKING. THE FOUR BASEMENT SUPPLY FANS
01:44:10 THAT MOVE AIR THROUGH THE SUBSTATION WERE
01:44:14 NON-OPERATIONAL. IS THAT CORRECT?
01:44:15 THAT'S CORRECT. THE THE SUPPLY FANS WERE ONE OF
01:44:22 THOSE CONDITIONS THAT WERE NOT ACCEPTABLE TO US THERE THERE
01:44:26 ARE AND WERE OTHER VENTILATION MECHANISMS IN THE BUILDING.
01:44:30 SO THE BUILDING DID HAVE VENTILATION AND AN IMPORTANT
01:44:37 THING TO REMEMBER AT THE AT THE BEGINNING YOU KNOW, RELATIVE TO
01:44:38 YOUR OPENING COMMENTS SUPERVISOR WANG WE STILL DON'T
01:44:41 YET KNOW THE EXTENT, IF ANY TO WHICH THE THE STATE OF THOSE
01:44:48 FANS CONTRIBUTED TO THIS EVENT. SO WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS
01:44:51 MOISTURE PRESENT AND WE KNOW THAT THAT WAS A CONTRIBUTING
01:44:53 FACTOR TO THE DETERIORATION AND THE TRACKING ON THE ON THE
01:44:56 INSULATOR BOARD. BUT THERE'S MORE WORK TO DO
01:45:00 WITH EXPONENT WHICH WE ARE UNDERGOING RIGHT NOW TO TO
01:45:03 BETTER UNDERSTAND THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE STATE OF THOSE FANS
01:45:08 ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTED TO THIS OUTAGE.
01:45:09 >> OKAY. >> BUT IN THE MEANTIME, AGAIN,
01:45:12 I THINK IT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO REITERATE THAT THE THE CONTROLS
01:45:18 THAT WE HAVE PUT IN PLACE, THE TEMPERATURE MONITORING, REAL
01:45:23 TIME TEMPERATURE MONITORING, REAL TIME RELATIVE HUMIDITY
01:45:24 MONITORING THE THERMOSTATS THAT ARE BEING INSTALLED FOR THE FOR
01:45:27 THE HEATER MECHANISMS INSIDE OF THE CUBICLES.
01:45:30 ALL OF THOSE CONTROLS AND NEW TOOLS ARE DESIGNED TO MANAGE
01:45:35 THE ENVIRONMENT AND MANAGE THE MOISTURE IN IN IN THE INDOOR
01:45:38 SUBSTATION AND SUCH THAT THIS COMBINATION OF FACTORS CAN'T
01:45:43 OCCUR. >> JUST FOR THE RECORD SOME OF
01:45:46 THE PROBLEMS IN THE REPORT ARE NOT NEW PEONIES OWN MAINTENANCE
01:45:50 RECORDS DOCUMENT BROKEN FAN BELTS ON BASEMENT SUPPLY FANS
01:45:54 AND DECEMBER 22 AND THREE AUGUST 1ST, 24 AND OCTOBER 23
01:46:01 FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS OF DOCUMENTED ISSUES AND FAILURES,
01:46:06 THE REPORT WORK ORDER WAS NOT COMPLETED UNTIL JANUARY 29TH
01:46:09 SIX AFTER THE BLACKOUT IS THAT ACCURATE?
01:46:13 >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> RESIDENTS REALLY EXPECT
01:46:17 BASIC RELIABILITY AND THERE ARE VISIBLE WARNING SIGNS PLUS
01:46:24 MOISTURE CONCERNS. I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE
01:46:25 ENOUGH TO TRIGGER REPLACEMENTS AND I MEAN MOVING FORWARD, WHAT
01:46:32 SPECIFIC THRESHOLD WILL NOW WILL LEAD TO REPLACEMENTS?
01:46:36 I'M GOING TO I'LL ASK RAJ TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT
01:46:41 OUR ENHANCED INSPECTIONS AND SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE
01:46:44 PROTOCOLS THAT WE'VE NOW PUT INTO PLACE.
01:46:47 BUT I DO WANT TO RESPOND TO ONE THING YOU YOU SAID SUPERVISOR
01:46:51 WANG AND THAT IS THAT IT'S WHAT I SAID AT THE OUTSET
01:46:55 ESSENTIALLY THAT BASED ON THE INSPECTION STANDARDS AT THAT
01:47:01 TIME THERE WAS NO INDICATION THAT THIS COMBINATION OF
01:47:05 FACTORS WAS GOING TO PRESENT ITSELF IN A WAY THAT WOULD
01:47:09 CAUSE AN INCIDENT LIKE THIS. >> SO THERE WERE NO INDICATION
01:47:13 OR WARNING SIGNS THAT WOULD LEAD US TO HAVE BEHAVED
01:47:16 DIFFERENTLY IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
01:47:21 OUR QUALIFIED ELECTRICAL WORKERS ACTED TO THE BEST OF
01:47:24 THEIR ABILITY AND KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE AND DID WHAT
01:47:28 THEY THOUGHT WAS RIGHT WITH THE INFORMATION THEY HAD.
01:47:31 SOMEBODY MENTIONED IT EARLIER HINDSIGHT IS IS IS VERY EASY.
01:47:35 WE KNOW A LOT MORE TODAY THAN WE KNEW THEN AND WE HAVE TAKEN
01:47:39 A NUMBER OF STEPS TO GET BETTER AND ADDRESS THOSE ITEMS.
01:47:45 THE REPORT ALSO SAYS THAT FILTERS SHOULD HAVE BEEN
01:47:47 CLEANING THE AIR ENTERING THE SUBSTATION AND THEY WERE
01:47:50 SATURATED WITH WATER AND NOT PROVIDING FILTRATION.
01:47:54 SO ON THE DAY OF THE FIRE THE VENTILATION SYSTEM DESIGNED TO
01:47:58 MOVE AIR THROUGH THE BUILDING AND TO KEEP THE DUST AND OTHER
01:48:00 CONTAMINANTS OUT OF THE SUBSTATION WAS NOT DOING THE
01:48:03 JOB AS DESIGNED TO DO. IS THAT CORRECT?
01:48:06 >> I THINK THAT'S THAT GETS BACK TO WHAT I MENTIONED
01:48:10 PREVIOUSLY SUPERVISOR WANG IN THAT THERE WERE SOME
01:48:14 CONDITIONS IN THE SUBSTATION THAT WERE ABSOLUTELY
01:48:17 UNACCEPTABLE TO US. WE WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN THE
01:48:18 COMBINATION OF FACTORS COMING TOGETHER TO HAVE A WARNING SIGN
01:48:23 OF OF OF AN EVENT LIKE THIS. BUT WE ARE FOCUSED ON WHAT
01:48:26 WE'VE LEARNED AND IMPLEMENTING ALL OF THE TOOLS AND SOLUTIONS
01:48:30 THAT ARE PREVENTING THIS FROM HAPPENING EVER AGAIN AND THE
01:48:34 CONDITIONS FROM EXISTING AND WE ARE WE'RE FOCUSED ON MOVING
01:48:37 FORWARD AND IMPROVING THE RELIABILITY AND RESILIENCE FOR
01:48:41 FOR THIS CITY. >> HEY, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT I'M
01:48:45 LEARNING THROUGH THE REPORT AND HEARING THE BUILDING HAD A
01:48:49 WAS FULL MOISTURE AND THE THE ROOF AND THE THE BUILDING WAS
01:48:56 LETTING WATER IN AND THE VENTILATION SYSTEM THAT WAS
01:48:57 SUPPOSED TO MONITOR THE AMBIENT CONDITIONS IN THE BUILDING HAD
01:49:01 HAD ISSUES FOR FOR MANY YEARS AND THESE WERE KNOWN ISSUES.
01:49:08 IT SEEMS LIKE THE INCIDENT WAS PREVENTABLE WITH ALL THE
01:49:11 MULTIPLE MULTITUDE OF FACTORS THAT CAME TOGETHER EFFECTIVE
01:49:15 MAINTENANCE AND INSPECTION PROCEDURES SHOULD HAVE
01:49:19 IDENTIFIED THESE PROBLEMS AND MITIGATION MEASURES SHOULD
01:49:22 HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED. THE I DON'T THINK THE COST OF
01:49:24 THE REPAIRS SHOULD HAVE BEEN BORNE BY ANY RATEPAYERS AND I,
01:49:30 I THINK THAT THERE WAS A QUOTE RECENTLY FROM THE CEO THAT
01:49:41 MENTIONED EVEN IN A WELL MAINTAINED HOME WHERE THE OWNER
01:49:42 HAS DONE ALL THE RIGHT THINGS ROUTINE INSPECTIONS, TIMELY
01:49:46 REPAIRS AND PROPER UPKEEP, A ROOF CAN STILL HAVE A LEAK
01:49:49 AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS ANALOGY HOLDS WHEN WE CAN'T
01:49:56 CALL ABLE MAINTAINED HOME WHEN THE VENTILATION FANS HAD BEEN
01:50:00 BROKEN FOR FOR YEARS AND WHEN THERE'S BEEN ISSUES OF TRIPPING
01:50:07 FOR SUCH A LONG TIME WE WE CAN'T SEE THAT WE CAN'T FORESEE
01:50:11 THAT. SO I THINK THAT A LOT OF THESE
01:50:15 FACTORS COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTABLE I.
01:50:19 SO NEXT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT TO ACTUALLY
01:50:27 SORRY I LIKE TO I SEE THAT SUPERVISOR SATYA IS ON THE
01:50:31 QUEUE AND WANT TO PASS IT ON TO HIM NOW.
01:50:37 THANK YOU SUPERVISOR WONG THANK YOU CHAIR DORSEY GOOD A NUMBER
01:50:44 OF QUESTIONS AS WELL. SO WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS
01:50:47 CIRCUIT BREAKER NUMBER 56 WHICH WAS REMOVED FROM SERVICE ON
01:50:54 NOVEMBER 2ND TO 25 FOR SUSPECTED WATER DAMAGE AND WE
01:50:57 HEARD THAT AFTER THAT THE THE BOARD WAS WIPED TO GET RID OF
01:51:05 THAT WATER. >> WHY DID YOU NOT AT THAT TIME
01:51:09 LAUNCH ANY SORT OF INVESTIGATION INTO WHERE THAT
01:51:12 WATER CAME FROM? >> SO CREWS ARE TRAINED TO TAKE
01:51:23 A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE WATER INTRUSION INTO IT.
01:51:28 THEY DID LOOK AT THE YOU KNOW, THE SOURCES OF THE WATER THAT
01:51:31 THERE'S THAT THAT'S WHY REPORT ALSO SAID THEY NOT ONLY LOOK AT
01:51:36 THAT SO THEY WILL GET EVERY OTHER SIDE OF THERE AND THEY
01:51:39 DETERMINED THAT AT THAT TIME THEY THE APPROPRIATE ACTION WAS
01:51:43 DO YOU KNOW WIPE THE SLATE CLEAN, WIPE THE BOARD CLEAN
01:51:49 AND AND AND AND AGREE WITH THE ACTIONS OF THE PEOPLE WHO DID
01:51:53 THAT AND DIDN'T ACTUALLY INVESTIGATE IT.
01:51:56 >> THOSE ACTIONS WERE AT THE TIME OF THAT THAT MECHANISM
01:52:00 SERVICE WERE APPROPRIATE AS PART OF OUR IN OUR STANDARDS
01:52:08 AND INDUSTRY PRACTICES. WHAT DO IS IT WILL YOU BE
01:52:12 CHANGING THOSE STANDARDS OR PRACTICES?
01:52:13 >> YES. SUPERVISOR ABSOLUTELY.
01:52:15 AS WE'VE BEEN SHARING WE'RE LEARNING A LOT FROM THIS
01:52:17 INCIDENT. YOU KNOW AND WE ARE LOOKING AT
01:52:20 AS I SAY IN MY CAREER I FIRST I'M SEEING SOMETHING THAT
01:52:24 MOISTURE GETTING ON A INSULATING BOARD AND THE
01:52:28 CONDITIONS GETTING THERE THAT IS NOT ONLY A LEARNING FOR US,
01:52:31 THAT'S A LEARNING FOR THE INDUSTRY THAT WE WILL BE
01:52:35 SHARING THIS WITH IT. YES, WE ARE TAKING ACTIONS TO
01:52:38 MITIGATE HUMIDITY, MITIGATE TEMPERATURE TESTING EQUIPMENT
01:52:42 IN SAN FRANCISCO. WE'RE NOT LIMITING OURSELVES TO
01:52:44 JUST THAT. THAT'S AS SIMPLE AS MAHMUD WAS
01:52:47 ASKING. WE ARE TESTING EVERY OTHER
01:52:50 PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IN THESE SUBSTATIONS LIKE TRANSFORMERS,
01:52:54 SWITCHES AND OTHER THINGS. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT 3000
01:52:58 INSPECTIONS JAKE MENTIONED IT'S NOT THE 3000 INSPECTIONS OF
01:53:02 BREAKERS. >> WE ARE LOOKING AT OTHER
01:53:06 PIECES TOO. I APPRECIATE THAT.
01:53:09 I JUST I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU KNOW,
01:53:10 WE'RE HEARING THAT THERE'S OR THERE'S A PRESUMPTION THAT
01:53:13 WE'RE HEARING THAT THERE'S NO WARNING SIGNS.
01:53:17 BUT I MEAN THIS IS CLEARLY A FIRST WARNING SIGN A MONTH
01:53:18 BEFORE THE INCIDENT AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EARLY NOVEMBER
01:53:21 WHEN YOU FIND WATER DAMAGE, I WOULD EXPECT THAT TO BE TAKEN
01:53:28 SERIOUSLY. I MEAN IF I FIND THAT SOMETHING
01:53:29 IN MY KITCHEN IS IS WET, SOMETHING IN MY APARTMENT IS
01:53:32 WHAT I LOOK FOR THE SOURCE AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOUR CREWS
01:53:36 SIMPLY WIPED IT AND WENT ON WITH THEIR BUSINESS.
01:53:40 >> I THINK THAT WAS A CLEARLY A FIRST WARNING SIGN.
01:53:43 CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THESE BASEMENT FANS SUPPLY BELTS THAT
01:53:48 WERE BROKEN ON THREE DIFFERENT INSPECTION DATES AND WHY THOSE
01:53:52 WERE NOT FIXED? SUPERVISOR I AGAIN ONE OF THE
01:54:02 CONDITIONS THAT NOT ACCEPTABLE THOSE FANS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN
01:54:06 IN THAT CONDITION. WE NEED TO DO BETTER WE WILL DO
01:54:10 BETTER AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY WE DON'T YET KNOW
01:54:16 THE EXTENT TO WHAT WHAT THE EXTENT TO WHICH THOSE FANS OR
01:54:20 THEIR CONDITION THEIR STATE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS EVENT THAT
01:54:23 MORE TO COME THERE NEVERTHELESS THOSE FANS SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN
01:54:30 IN THAT CONDITION WE OWN THAT AND OUR NEED TO BE BETTER BUT
01:54:32 PRESUMABLY THAT WOULD HELP WITH WITH THE MOISTURE AND HUMIDITY
01:54:35 THOUGH. YES.
01:54:36 I MEAN WHAT YOU WANT TO ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT YEAH SO
01:54:39 THAT IS STILL TO BE DETERMINED. AS THE EXPONENT REPORT NOTED
01:54:45 RATHER YOU KNOW THOSE FANS WILL WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE PURPOSE
01:54:50 OF THOSE FANS IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD DO, WHY DO WE
01:54:54 HAVE THEM? >> WHAT ARE THEY MEANT FOR SO
01:54:55 WE HAVE FANS, WE HAVE MULTIPLE PLACES.
01:54:57 WE HAVE THE FANS IN THE BUILDING.
01:55:01 THERE IS THE FANS ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING THAT ARE EXHAUST
01:55:02 FAN THAT WERE PROVIDING SOME VENTILATION AND CIRCULATION
01:55:06 IN THE BUILDING AT THE TIME OF THE ENTERED THE FANS IN THE
01:55:09 BASEMENT BRING THE OUTSIDE AIR AND FORCED INTO THE BASEMENT
01:55:14 AND FROM BASEMENT THERE GOES INSIDE THAT SWITCHING ROOM
01:55:17 WHERE THE THE WHERE THE SWITCHGEAR IS WHERE THE FAILURE
01:55:22 OCCURRED. >> SO IT IS TO CIRCULATE THERE
01:55:25 AS JAKE IS SAYING. YES, THE FAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN
01:55:29 REPAIRED. WE DEFINITELY ARE LEARNING
01:55:33 AND TAKING AN ACTION ON THAT. >> THE FANS ARE FOR VENTILATION
01:55:37 VENTILATION CLEARLY CAUSED HERE SO THE FACT THAT THESE WERE
01:55:41 BROKEN ON THREE DIFFERENT INSPECTION DATES AGAIN I THINK
01:55:44 THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT THAT WAS A FACTOR.
01:55:45 WHAT HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO GET A NEW FAN SUPPLY ABOUT IF
01:55:54 WE COULD JUST BACK UP FOR A SECOND.
01:55:58 DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE THE REPORT DID NOT CONCLUDE THAT
01:56:01 VENTILATION WAS A CAUSE WE DON'T YET KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT
01:56:08 THE STATE OF THOSE FANS CONTRIBUTED TO THE THE INCIDENT
01:56:15 . THE MOISTURE WAS A CONTRIBUTING
01:56:16 FACTOR. WE'VE TAKEN STEPS TO MITIGATE
01:56:20 THAT MOISTURE AND WILL CONTINUE DOING MORE WORK ON IS THERE A
01:56:24 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MOISTURE AND VENTILATION THE EXTENT OF
01:56:28 THAT RELATIONSHIP IS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DETERMINE.
01:56:32 >> THERE'S CERTAINLY A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COST BE
01:56:36 FOR A FAN SUPPLY BELT TO BE REPLACED.
01:56:39 WELL THERE ARE MULTIPLE ISSUES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WITH THE
01:56:47 FANS. YES, THE FAN BOARD SAID NO THAT
01:56:48 AS BROKEN. BUT AGAIN, AS WE SAID, WE TAKE
01:56:54 THOSE FANS SERIOUSLY. THEY KNOW WE SHOULD HAVE ACTED
01:56:58 ON IT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME I'M SAYING
01:57:01 IS THAT THERE ARE FANS IN THE BUILDING THAT WERE PROVIDING
01:57:05 VENT AIR CIRCULATION THE FROM THE FANS ON THE ROOF.
01:57:10 >> SO I THINK IT FINALLY WAS REPAIRED IN JANUARY 2026.
01:57:13 HOW MUCH DID IT COST TO REPAIR THIS?
01:57:17 I MEAN A FAN SUPPLY BELT WE DON'T HAVE THAT DETAIL HERE
01:57:21 IN FRONT OF US BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON IT
01:57:23 AND HOW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FINALLY INSTALLING TEMPERATURE
01:57:25 MONITORS, THERMOSTATS, DEHUMIDIFIERS I MEAN I'M
01:57:29 ASTOUNDED THAT THAT ISN'T STANDARD PRACTICE ESPECIALLY
01:57:35 IN A IN A SITE LIKE THIS. IS THAT IS THAT NOT INDUSTRY
01:57:40 STANDARD? I MEAN TO NOT HAVE THOSE BASIC
01:57:43 MONITORING CAPABILITIES WE HAVE NOT HAD THESE IN THE PAST AS WE
01:57:48 HAVE OPERATED AT MANY OF THOSE SAN FRANCISCO STATIONS AND MANY
01:57:55 OF OUR INDUSTRY PEERS DO NOT HAVE THESE.
01:57:56 AND AS I STATED NORMALLY TO MITIGATE ANY MOISTURE HUMIDITY
01:58:03 CONCERNS, THE HEATERS INSIDE THE CELLS AND OR THE WORKING
01:58:11 MECHANISM HOW WE SET IT UP IS SUPPOSED TO ADDRESS THAT.
01:58:12 >> I MEAN I HAVE A DEHUMIDIFIER IN MY APARTMENT I THINK EVERY
01:58:15 SAN FRANCISCAN DOES IT'S PRETTY COMMON KNOWLEDGE IN SAN
01:58:19 FRANCISCO YOU NEED THAT. I HAVE A THERMOSTAT.
01:58:25 >> IT'S AGAIN IT'S REMARKABLE THAT A $35 BILLION CORPORATION
01:58:28 DOESN'T HAVE THAT. HOW MUCH DID IT COST TO PUT
01:58:30 THESE IN FINALLY I, I, I DON'T HAVE THE COST IN FRONT OF ME
01:58:35 BUT I MEAN YOU CAN GET THEM I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD GO EVEN
01:58:39 ABOVE THIS BUT YOU CAN GET THEM ON GRANGER FOR $250 FOR A
01:58:44 THERMOSTAT $150 FOR A DEHUMIDIFIER.
01:58:48 IT'S REMARKABLE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THIS.
01:58:49 I THINK YOU KNOW AND YOU'VE CONTINUALLY USE THE WORD
01:58:55 UNACCEPTABLE CONDITIONS AND I THINK THAT'S ACCURATE.
01:59:00 I WOULD I WOULD SAY IT'S A HOUSING DISORDER.
01:59:01 I WOULD SAY IT'S CONDITIONS THAT ARE SLOPPY.
01:59:04 WHAT ELSE IN THESE FACILITIES IS A MESS?
01:59:08 I MEAN THERE'S A YOU'RE SAYING AFTER 40 YEARS YOU'VE NEVER
01:59:11 SEEN THIS COMBINATION RESULT WHICH YOU KNOW I UNDERSTAND BUT
01:59:18 IF IF THE IF THERE'S MOISTURE IF THERE'S NOT THINGS THAT ARE
01:59:23 BEING MONITORED, THERE'S CERTAINLY OTHER COMPONENTS
01:59:26 OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS THAT ARE THAT ARE OUT OF WHACK
01:59:31 IN THESE STATIONS. I MEAN WHAT ELSE IS NOT WELL
01:59:32 MAINTAINED? THE REPORT THE THE EXPONENT
01:59:38 REPORT POINTED TO THIS COMBINATION OF FACTORS BETWEEN
01:59:44 ENVIRONMENTAL AND DESIGN. WE'RE TAKING THOSE
01:59:52 RECOMMENDATIONS SERIOUSLY. AS I MENTIONED A NUMBER OF
01:59:55 CONDITIONS THAT THAT WERE UNACCEPTABLE TO US AND THE
01:59:58 ENHANCED INSPECTIONS, THE REAL TIME MONITORING, THE
02:00:03 ACCELERATED MAINTENANCE WORK IS ALL IS ALL PART OF OUR PLAN TO
02:00:11 ENSURE THAT THOSE CONDITIONS DON'T EXIST AND THAT ALL OF OUR
02:00:14 INDOOR SUBSTATIONS ARE IN GOOD WORKING ORDER.
02:00:18 >> DO YOU THINK THERE IS A DIRECT CAUSE OF THE EVENT
02:00:28 QUESTION DO YOU KNOW WHAT DIRECT CAUSE OF THE EVENT AS
02:00:32 WE'RE SAYING IS THE COMBINATION OF THE FACTORS LISTED BY THE
02:00:36 EXPONENT BETWEEN ELECTRICAL CONTACT BETWEEN THE ARM AND THE
02:00:40 BOAT, THE MOISTURE AND THE CONTAMINATION IS DIRECT CAUSE
02:00:46 THE SAME AS A SINGLE CAUSE THE THERE'S THERE'S OUR DEFINITION
02:00:53 OF DIRECT CAUSE AND HOW THIS REPORT WAS BUILT IS ACTUALLY ON
02:00:57 PAGE ROMAN NUMERAL SEVEN IN THE BOTTOM FOOTNOTE OF THE REPORT
02:01:01 WE'RE HAPPY TO READ IT TO YOU BUT IN NON ENGINEERING TERMS
02:01:07 THE WAY I I TEND TO THINK ABOUT IT IS THAT THE THE DIRECT CAUSE
02:01:12 IS ADDRESSING WHAT CAUSED THE INCIDENT WHAT AND A BIT OF THE
02:01:16 HOW THE SUBSEQUENT WORK THE ONGOING WORK WITH EXPONENT WILL
02:01:22 GET THE REST OF THE HOW AND THE WHY IS I JUST THINK YOU KNOW WE
02:01:26 HAVE COMMUNICATION HERE FROM PGE TO THE MEMBERS OF THIS
02:01:30 COMMITTEE SAYING THEY'RE THE REPORT FOUND THERE IS NO SINGLE
02:01:34 CAUSE WHICH THE REPORT ITSELF STATES THAT THERE'S MOST LIKELY
02:01:41 DIRECT CAUSE OF THE EVENT IS SURFACE BREAKDOWN AT THE
02:01:45 INCIDENT INSULATING BOARD AND THEN IT GOES ON 70 MORE
02:01:47 PAGES TO TELL US ABOUT THAT DIRECT CAUSE SOME CONCERN ABOUT
02:01:51 THE COMMUNICATIONS AGAIN IMPLYING THERE IS NO WARNING
02:01:56 SIGNS AND THE COMMUNICATIONS IMPLYING THAT THERE'S NO SINGLE
02:02:00 CAUSE WHEN IT SEEMS VERY CLEARLY FROM READING THE REPORT
02:02:03 THERE WERE HOW ABOUT THE EIGHT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE
02:02:10 ? WHAT IS THE STATUS OF EACH OF
02:02:11 THOSE? WHEN CAN WE EXPECT THEM TO BE
02:02:14 COMPLETED AND ARE THERE ARE THERE CERTAIN RECOMMENDATIONS
02:02:17 THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH OR YOU WON'T BE ADOPTING?
02:02:21 WE TAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT EXPONENT HAS PROVIDED VERY
02:02:26 SERIOUSLY AND WE INTEND TO ACT UPON ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS
02:02:30 THAT THEY THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN US.
02:02:34 AND RAJ, YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON SOME MANY OF THEM ARE ALREADY
02:02:36 COMPLETED YET SO SUPERVISOR WE TAKE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM
02:02:41 EXPONENT SERIOUSLY AND WE ALREADY HAVE STARTED TO
02:02:45 IMPLEMENT QUITE A FEW OF THEM LIKE INSTALLING HUMIDITY
02:02:51 CONTROL MONITORS, TEMP MONITORS AND START TO CREATE THE RIGHT
02:02:55 ENVIRONMENT INSIDE THESE CONTROL ROOMS WE ARE GOING ALSO
02:03:02 ABOVE AND BEYOND AS I SAID WE ARE GOING TO TESTING ALL THE
02:03:07 BREAKERS INSIDE ALL OF SAN FRANCISCO'S SUBSTATION.
02:03:10 >> WE ARE DOING WE HAVE DONE ALREADY AS JAKE SHARED
02:03:17 FORESHORE DISCHARGE MONITORING THAT TELLS US IF THERE'S
02:03:19 SOMETHING WRONG INSIDE OF US SWITCH GEARS.
02:03:21 WE ARE DOING THERMAL GRAPHIC TESTING AND WE ARE TESTING OUR
02:03:25 TRANSFORMERS. MAKE SURE THEY ARE THERE'S NO
02:03:29 ISSUES AS THAT MAY CREATE AN OUTAGE OR MAY CREATE ANOTHER
02:03:33 INCIDENT SO WE WE HAVE TAKEN STEPS.
02:03:37 DO YOU YOU KNOW MINIMIZE THE RISK AND AND HAVE BEEN WORKING
02:03:44 TO MITIGATE ANY THINGS WE HAVE BEEN FINDING IN THAT AND HOW
02:03:45 WOULD EITHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS OR MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL
02:03:49 PUBLIC TRACK YOUR PROGRESS ON THESE RECOMMENDATIONS?
02:03:53 WILL YOU BE POSTING THESE ONLINE?
02:03:55 WILL YOU BE INCLUDING THEM IN SHAREHOLDER REPORTS?
02:03:59 >> WHERE DOES THIS GO FROM HERE ?
02:04:03 THANKS FOR THE QUESTION SUPERVISOR YOU KNOW THE EXACT
02:04:07 SHARING MECHANISM WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY THOUGHT THROUGH BUT
02:04:09 FROM THE OUTSET OF THIS EVENT OUR COMMITMENT HAS BEEN TO
02:04:12 BEING FULLY TRANSPARENT. SO WE WILL FIGURE THAT OUT
02:04:16 AND FIND A WAY TO TO SHARE IT APPROPRIATELY BUT I HOPE SO.
02:04:20 THANKS. OKAY.
02:04:24 NOW I'D LIKE TO TURN THIS OVER TO DEPUTY CHIEF RABBITTE HERE
02:04:27 FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO PRESENT GOOD.
02:04:42 >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR DORSEY VICE CHAIR CIDER SUPERVISOR
02:04:46 WONG, I'M PATRICK RABBITTE, THE DEPUTY CHIEF OF OPERATIONS FOR
02:04:47 THE SAN FRANCISCO FIRE DEPARTMENT.
02:04:50 I'M HERE TO COMMENT ON THE EXPONENT REPORT.
02:04:54 THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS READ THE INVESTIGATIVE REPORT
02:04:57 PROVIDED BY EXPONENT REGARDING THE POWER OUTAGE ON DECEMBER
02:05:00 20TH. WE DO HAVE A FEW COMMENTS THAT
02:05:04 ARE MORE NARROW SCOPED RELATED TO AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE FIRST
02:05:09 RESPONDER RESPONSE TO THE SUBSTATION.
02:05:15 >> OUR FIRST CONCERN THE ARC OCCURRED AT 1:04 P.M. AT THE
02:05:19 MISSION STREET SUBSTATION AND SAN FRANCISCO FIRE
02:05:23 DEPARTMENT WAS NOT NOTIFIED THROUGH OUR DISPATCH SYSTEM
02:05:28 UNTIL 2:16 P.M.. ONE CONCERN OF OURS IS A DELAY
02:05:30 IN THE REPORTING OF THE ACTUAL ARC IN THAT CUBICLE.
02:05:36 PAGE 17 OF THE EXPONENT REPORT DETAILS THE ARC FLASH EVENT
02:05:39 WHICH ALSO INCLUDED INCLUDES A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SUBSEQUENT
02:05:41 FIRE. >> THERE.
02:05:46 WE HAVE SPOKE AT GREAT LENGTH ALREADY WITH PGA AND THE
02:05:50 COMMITTEE REGARDING PONDING AND CONSTANT CONDENSATION.
02:05:54 THAT IS A SERIOUS HAZARD FOR ANY FIRST RESPONDER ENTERING A
02:05:57 BUILDING WITH HIGH VOLTAGE THAT'S DETAILED AT GREAT LENGTH
02:06:00 ON PAGE 23 OF THE REPORT AS WELL AS NOTING THE
02:06:05 ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS THAT WE DO EXPERIENCE IN THE WINTER
02:06:08 MONTHS LONG DRY MONTHS AND THEN A RAIN OR WEATHER EVENT WITH
02:06:13 HIGHER HUMIDITY AND HIGHER TEMPERATURES.
02:06:16 VENTILATION SHAFTS WERE MENTIONED WITH UNPROTECTED
02:06:20 OPENINGS TO THE ELEMENTS AS WELL AS THE AIR INTAKE PITS ON
02:06:21 THE NORTH WEST AND SOUTHWEST ELEVATIONS ALLOWING
02:06:25 PRECIPITATION OR CONDENSATION TO BUILD AND COLLECT DURING
02:06:29 WEATHER EVENTS FOR HAPS WE NOTED A LACK OF AN INTERIOR
02:06:36 DRAIN SYSTEM OR A SUMP PUMP SYSTEM TO REMOVE ANY
02:06:40 ACCUMULATED WATER AND THE REPORT NOTED THE PRESENCE OF
02:06:44 WATER IN THE BUILDING FROM THE RAINS THAT WE EXPERIENCED ON
02:06:48 DECEMBER 31ST THROUGH JANUARY 6TH THE WEEK LONG RANGE THAT
02:06:52 WHICH CAN LEAD TO AN INCREASE IN THE RELATIVE HUMIDITY WHEN
02:06:56 THE WATER EVAPORATES INSIDE THAT CONCRETE STRUCTURE, WHEN
02:06:58 THE RAIN SUBSIDES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THE
02:07:04 MAINTENANCE AND MONITORING SYSTEMS.
02:07:07 PAGE 24 OF THE REPORT FOUND THAT THE SUPPLY FANS WHICH WE
02:07:11 JUST TOUCHED ON WITH GENIE IN THE BASEMENT WERE NOT
02:07:12 OPERATIONAL AT THE TIME AND PAGE 25 IS MENTIONS THAT
02:07:15 THE VENTILATION IS UNCONDITIONED SO THERE'S NO
02:07:19 CONTROL OVER THE TEMPERATURE OR MOISTURE CONTENT AS THE REPORT
02:07:25 MENTIONED LEADS TO THE AIR HAVING SIMILAR PROPERTIES AS
02:07:29 THE OUTSIDE AIR RELATED TO THE TEMPERATURE HUMIDITY
02:07:30 AND CHANGING OF THE DEW POINT WITH THAT WHICH COULD LEAD TO
02:07:34 CONDENSATION ON ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT.
02:07:40 AND ALSO WE HAD A COMMENT REGARDING THE LACK OF
02:07:44 TECHNOLOGY IN THE ALARM SYSTEMS AND MAPPINGS LED TO A DELAY OF
02:07:47 ENTRY AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT ON DECEMBER 20TH.
02:07:50 AT THE PREVIOUS HEARING WE DID TALK ABOUT UPDATING BUILDING
02:07:54 PLANS WITH PGD AND MAPS WHICH WOULD DETAIL ACCESS AND EGRESS
02:07:59 FOR FIRST RESPONDERS FIRE ALARM CONTROL ROOMS, UTILITY
02:08:02 SHUTDOWNS, ELEVATOR MACHINE ROOMS AND ESPECIALLY GOING
02:08:05 FORWARD WITH MASSEY PLANS WHO ACTUALLY DETAIL A LOT OF OUR
02:08:12 COMMERCIAL HIGH RISES HERE IN SAN FRANCISCO AND THAT WAY
02:08:13 IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE NOT ON PAPER BUT ON A TABLET OR A
02:08:19 MOBILE DATA TERMINAL IN ONE OF OUR APPARATUS.
02:08:23 I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND PAGE ANNIE FOR MAKING A LOT OF THESE
02:08:27 IMPROVEMENTS AND I JUST MENTIONED SOME OF OUR CONCERNS.
02:08:28 I THINK A CHALLENGE FOR US ALL AS RESIDENTS WHEREVER WE LIVE
02:08:34 AS WELL AS IN OUR AGENCY HERE IS DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON
02:08:38 BUILDINGS IN THE PRIORITY IS ANY ANY BUILDING THAT HOUSES
02:08:45 EXECUTIVE STAFF, THEIR FRONT LINE STAFF, FIELD WORKERS OR
02:08:46 SUBSTATIONS THAT MAY BE ON STAFF TO HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF
02:08:50 MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS AND KEEP THEM KEEP KEEP THESE
02:08:56 BUILDINGS IN SERVICE AND SAFE NOT JUST FOR THEIR WORKERS
02:09:00 AND FIRST RESPONDERS TO RESPOND TO TO PROVIDE RESILIENT
02:09:04 ELECTRICAL POWER TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY
02:09:05 AND COUNTY. >> THANK YOU.
02:09:09 THANK YOU, DEPUTY CHIEF. MY ONE QUESTION FOR YOU RIGHT
02:09:13 NOW IS BASED ON THIS INCIDENT, WHAT ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT
02:09:16 CHANGES YOU NEED STILL NEEDS TO MAKE AND WHAT SHOULD THEY HAVE
02:09:20 DONE BETTER RIGHT NOW OUR CONCERNS RELATED TO FIRST FIRST
02:09:26 RESPONDERS AND AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO ANY TYPE OF
02:09:30 INCIDENT MEDICAL OR ARC A FIRE AFTER AN ARC EVENT.
02:09:33 IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THE BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS THE
02:09:37 HUMIDIFIERS TEMPERATURE CONTROLS ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED
02:09:41 IN ALL THEIR 16 SUBSTATIONS AS I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO COMMEND
02:09:47 OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH PGE OR WITH OUR LIAISON IN THE
02:09:51 DEPARTMENT WHO'S BEEN DOING IT FOR OVER TEN YEARS.
02:09:54 MIKE THOMPSON WITH OUR PASSION IS PUBLIC SAFETY SPECIALIST JIM
02:09:58 WICKENS BEEN WORKING WITH US FOR YEARS AND WE HAVE BEEN
02:10:01 FOCUSED ON SUBSTATIONS WITH JIM WICKHAM AND MIKE THOMPSON SINCE
02:10:06 THIS INCIDENT. SO THERE'S BEEN A TREMENDOUS
02:10:09 COLLABORATION ON EDUCATION AND TRAINING BETWEEN OUR AGENCY
02:10:17 AND PGE SINCE THEN. >> ANOTHER ONE THAT WE THOUGHT
02:10:20 ABOUT JUST NOW IS DID THE UNCERTAINTY AROUND WHETHER THE
02:10:23 BUILDING WAS ENERGIZED AFFECT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S ABILITY
02:10:27 TO MOVE QUICKLY AND SAFELY? >> THERE WAS WE HAD TO CONFIRM
02:10:32 THROUGH THE WITH PD YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THE WHOLE BUILDING
02:10:36 WAS ENERGIZED. YES.
02:10:37 AND IT DID DELAY AND THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE SAFE TO
02:10:40 AND CONFIRM THE POWER IS OFF IN THE BUILDING IS TO ENERGIZE
02:10:43 SO THAT WILL ALWAYS TAKE TIME. >> ALEX ANY QUESTIONS FOR FIRE
02:10:47 FOR ME BROTHER JUST JUST REAL QUICK TO REITERATE
02:10:54 APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME DID YOU GET A CALL ABOUT THE SUBSTATION
02:10:59 THROUGH OUR DISPATCH WE RECEIVED A CALL AT 2:16 P.M. ON
02:11:04 DECEMBER 20TH TO THE PGE SUBSTATION ON MISSION OAK.
02:11:08 >> SO OVER AN HOUR AFTER THE ARC FLASH IS WHEN YOU GOT THE
02:11:12 CALL. >> YES, THANK YOU.
02:11:13 OKAY. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR
02:11:16 JEANIE IN RELATION TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR JEANIE.
02:11:23 WHY DID IT TAKE MORE THAN AN HOUR TO NOTIFY THE FIRE
02:11:27 DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE INCIDENT? >> THANK YOU DEPUTY CHIEF.
02:11:31 THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SUPERVISOR WONG.
02:11:34 I BELIEVE WE ADDRESSED THIS AT THE FIRST HEARING IN FEBRUARY.
02:11:38 >> BUT IF WE AS AS YOU MENTIONED THESE SUBSTATIONS ARE
02:11:42 NOT STAFFED WITH PERSONNEL 24 SEVEN AND SO ARE QUALIFIED
02:11:49 ELECTRICAL TECHNICIAN ONE AS SOON AS THEY ARRIVED ON SITE
02:11:53 THEY NOTIFIED OUR CONTROL CENTER OF A FIRE AND THE FIRE
02:11:57 DEPARTMENT WAS NOTIFIED. WHAT OCCURRED IN THAT OVER ONE
02:12:03 HOUR PERIOD BEFORE FIRE WAS NOTIFIED OUR FIRST RESPONDER
02:12:07 WAS ENROUTE AND ARRIVED AT THE SUBSTATION IN FEBRUARY.
02:12:13 PG NEED TESTIFIED THAT AS SOON AS IDENTIFIED THE ISSUE IT SENT
02:12:17 QUALIFIED PERSONNEL TO THE SITE AND THAT THE PERSON ARRIVED
02:12:21 WITHIN ABOUT 45 MINUTES OF PGE FIRST BECOMING AWARE SO THERE
02:12:27 WAS AWARENESS THAT THERE WAS A FIRE BUT THERE WAS A LAG TIME
02:12:31 TO NOTIFY FIRE AFTER PERSONNEL HAD ALREADY ARRIVED.
02:12:36 >> CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? >> AS I MENTIONED THE PROCESS
02:12:40 IS AS SOON AS THERE'S ANY INDICATION OF A FAULT OR AN
02:12:49 ISSUE IN THE SUBSTATION THAT WILL TRIGGER AN ALARM.
02:12:53 AH AND WE'LL HAVE A QUALIFIED ELECTRICAL WORKER DISPATCH
02:12:57 THAT'S WHAT OCCURRED I BELIEVE THEY WERE DISPATCHED WITHIN
02:13:01 SINGLE DIGIT MINUTES FROM THAT FIRST WARNING AND AS YOU
02:13:06 MENTIONED, THEY TRAVELED TO THE SUBSTATION SAFELY, MADE ENTRY
02:13:13 AND ONCE THEY WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT THERE WAS A FIRE
02:13:16 IN THE BUILDING, THEY NOTIFIED OUR CONTROL CENTER AND THE
02:13:20 CONTROL CENTER NOTIFIED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
02:13:21 THE FIRE WAS CAUGHT ON CAMERA. DID ANY REMOTE MONITORING CATCH
02:13:25 IT BEFORE OUR PERSONNEL ARRIVE? >> I'M SORRY.
02:13:29 CAN YOU THE FIRE WAS CAUGHT ON CAMERA.
02:13:33 DID ANY REMOTE MONITORING CATCH IT BEFORE PERSONNEL ARRIVED?
02:13:36 >> WE WE HAD ALARM AN ALARM THAT OCCURRED SIMULTANEOUSLY TO
02:13:43 THE THE FIRST OUTAGE THAT WAS THAT WAS MONITORED BY OUR
02:13:47 CONTROL CENTER WHICH IS WHAT TRIGGERED THAT DISPATCH.
02:13:51 IF THERE'S SUSPICION OF THE FIRE, I MEAN TYPICALLY SOMEBODY
02:13:56 WOULD CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND SORT OF WAITING FOR
02:13:59 SOMEBODY TO TO COME FIRST. WHY DID YOU WAIT UNTIL SOMEBODY
02:14:04 CAME IN BEFORE THEY NOTIFIED FIRE THAT WHAT YOU'RE WHAT
02:14:08 YOU'RE RAISING IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT AND WE
02:14:13 HAVE RETRAINED OUR CONTROL CENTER OPERATORS TO NOTIFY FIRE
02:14:18 IMMEDIATELY UPON UPON THE THE VERY FIRST ALARM AS OPPOSED TO
02:14:23 WAITING FOR THAT QUALIFIED TECHNICIAN TO ARRIVE.
02:14:26 >> FIRE DEPARTMENT SAYS THAT WHEN THEIR CREWS ARRIVED YOU
02:14:31 COULD NOT PROVIDE ANY ACTUAL INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE THE
02:14:32 FIRE WAS, ITS SIZE OR WHAT EXACTLY WAS HAPPENING, HOW
02:14:35 RAPIDLY YANNI'S OWN MONITORING SYSTEMS HAD ALERTED.
02:14:39 YOU NEED TO THE EVENT IN REAL TIME MORE THAN AN HOUR EARLIER
02:14:45 . SO HOW IS IT THAT YOU NEED TO
02:14:46 NOT HAVE MORE INFO IMMEDIATELY FOR FIRE?
02:14:51 >> AGAIN I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT OUR OUR
02:14:56 ELECTRICAL WORKER HAD TO MAKE SAFE ENTRY AND THEN IN ORDER TO
02:15:03 REALLY FULLY ASSESS THE THE SITUATION WE HAD TO ENERGIZE
02:15:07 THAT SUBSTATION FOR FIRST RESPONDER AND FIREFIGHTER
02:15:11 SAFETY. OKAY.
02:15:14 THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SAYS THAT PGE NEEDS TO BORROW FIRE
02:15:18 DEPARTMENT BREATHING APPARATUS APPARATUSES.
02:15:21 BUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DENIED THE REQUEST BECAUSE THERE IS NO
02:15:25 AGREEMENT, NO PRECEDENT AND NO KNOWLEDGE OF PREVIOUS TRAINING
02:15:29 LEVELS. HOW DOES PGE PLAN TO ADJUST
02:15:31 THESE SHORTCOMINGS? >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
02:15:36 STEPPING BACK AS CHIEF RABBIT MENTIONED AND WE'RE BY THE WAY
02:15:41 WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE ONGOING PARTNERSHIP WITH WITH
02:15:45 THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WE HAVE WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD A STRONG
02:15:51 PARTNERSHIP ON JOINT TRAININGS AND LIVE ACTION DRILLS.
02:15:55 WE'RE STRENGTHENING THOSE THOSE ACTIONS EVEN FURTHER.
02:15:56 WE DO HAVE JOINT LIVE ACTION DRILL TRAINING AND EXERCISES
02:16:02 AND AN EXERCISE COMING UP I BELIEVE IN MID-JULY WHICH IS
02:16:06 NOW WE'VE ADDED SUBSTATION SPECIFIC DRILLING INTO THAT
02:16:10 EXERCISE SO WE VERY MUCH VALUE OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH WITH THE
02:16:14 FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR EXPERTISE IN FACT IN FIGHTING
02:16:21 THE FIRE SO THAT WE CAN SAFELY REENTER ANY OF OUR FACILITIES
02:16:26 IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE AND GET TO WORK RESTORING OUR CUSTOMERS
02:16:29 AND ABOUT FIVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR THIS FOR RELATED TO
02:16:33 INFRASTRUCTURE RESILIENCE AND SYSTEM VULNERABILITIES HOW
02:16:37 DOES PGE PRIORITIZE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT IS THE AGE BASE
02:16:42 CONDITION BASED RISK BASED OR SOMETHING ELSE?
02:16:49 >> IT'S A COMBINATION OF FACTORS.
02:16:50 IT'S BASED ON ASSET HEALTH RELIABILITY, PERFORMANCE,
02:16:56 VARIOUS RISK PROFILES. SO IT IS A IT'S A COMBINATION
02:17:01 OF OF MULTIPLE THINGS COMING TOGETHER TO DETERMINE WHAT WHAT
02:17:05 GETS REPLACED. >> ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD?
02:17:08 OKAY PGE SAW MOISTURE WATER RELATED CONDITIONS, BURN MARKS
02:17:12 AND WARPING SIX WEEKS BEFORE THE FIRE.
02:17:15 WHAT THRESHOLD WOULD HAVE REQUIRED IMMEDIATE REMOVAL OR
02:17:18 REPLACEMENT OF THAT BOARD? >> SO WE ARE AS WE SAID WE
02:17:26 LEARNED A LOT FROM THIS INCIDENT AND WE ARE REVISING
02:17:30 OUR STANDARDS. WE AS JAKE MENTIONED WE ARE
02:17:36 TRAINING OUR PERSONNEL TO LEARN FROM THIS INCIDENT.
02:17:41 SO WE ARE TAKING ACTIONS TO HOW WE WILL ADDRESS THIS IN THE
02:17:45 FUTURE. >> OKAY.
02:17:48 >> SEEMS LIKE THE PROCEDURES NEED TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE IF
02:17:51 THE PROCEDURES ALLOW BURNED WARPED OR WATER DAMAGED
02:17:55 EQUIPMENT TO STAY IN SERVICE AT A CRITICAL SUBSTATION THEN THE
02:17:57 PROCEDURES ARE THE PROBLEM NOT THE WEATHER OR THE EQUIPMENT.
02:18:01 THE PROCEDURES. AND SAN FRANCISCANS SHOULDN'T
02:18:04 HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT BLACKOUT TO FIND OUT WHETHER
02:18:07 THE PROBLEM WAS WAS FIXED FOR REDUNDANCY AND RESILIENCY.
02:18:15 DID PGD IDENTIFY MISSION SUBSTATION AS A SINGLE POINT OF
02:18:20 FAILURE BEFORE DECEMBER 20TH? IF SO, WHAT REDUNDANCY WAS
02:18:24 IN PLACE TO PREVENT ITS LOSS FROM CASCADING?
02:18:27 IF NOT, WHY WAS IT NOT IDENTIFIED GIVEN THAT THE
02:18:30 MISSION STATION SERVES MORE THAN 100,000 CUSTOMERS?
02:18:33 >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SUPERVISOR.
02:18:37 THE THE LOCAL GRID AND REALLY ANY ANY ELECTRICAL GRID IS A IS
02:18:42 AN INTERCONNECTED GROUPING OF OF CIRCUITS AND IN SAN
02:18:45 FRANCISCO IS IS NO DIFFERENT. MISSION SUBSTATION IS ONE OF
02:18:52 THOSE CRITICAL NODES IN THAT SYSTEM.
02:18:53 IT'S ONE OF OUR LARGER SUBSTATIONS THAT IS THE SOURCE
02:18:56 OF POWER FOR OTHER SUBSTATIONS SMALLER SUBSTATIONS.
02:19:03 IT SPECIFICALLY IN THIS CASE ON ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY
02:19:06 THERE IS REDUNDANCY IN PLACE. AS WE MENTIONED, WE WE WE DE
02:19:14 ENERGIZE THE ENTIRETY OF THIS SUBSTATION BEYOND JUST THE
02:19:16 DAMAGED SECTION AND THAT WAS THAT WAS DIRECTLY TO SUPPORT
02:19:22 SAFETY FIRST FIRST RESPONDERS SAFETY OF FIREFIGHTER PERSONNEL
02:19:26 AND OUR OWN PGE EMPLOYEES. SO THAT THAT LARGE INITIAL
02:19:30 IMPACT WAS DRIVEN BY THE D ENERGIES ATION OF OF THE FULL
02:19:34 MISSION SUBSTATION FOR SAFETY. AND THEN OVER THE COURSE OF THE
02:19:38 EVENT WE WERE ABLE TO RESTORE 80% OF OUR CUSTOMERS WITHIN 13
02:19:44 HOURS AND THEN ALL BUT YOU KNOW 4 OR 5000 BY MONDAY MORNING
02:19:51 AND THEY WERE ALL RESTORED THROUGH VARIOUS SOURCES OF
02:19:55 REDUNDANCY BOTH WITHIN THE SUBSTATION AND OUTSIDE OF THE
02:19:56 SUBSTATION. WHEN THE MISSION STATION WENT
02:20:03 OFFLINE ON DECEMBER 20TH, THE SURROUNDING SUBSTATIONS DID NOT
02:20:07 HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ABSORB MISSIONS.
02:20:08 LOAD IS THAT CORRECT? AND IF SO, HOW MANY OTHER
02:20:11 SUBSTATIONS IN SAN FRANCISCO HAVE THE SAME EXPOSURE WHERE A
02:20:15 SINGLE FAILURE MAY NOT BE BACKED UP BY THE SURROUNDING
02:20:18 GRID? >> THANK YOU AGAIN.
02:20:22 THE THE LOCAL GRID IS THIS INTERCONNECTED GROUPING OF
02:20:26 CIRCUITS WE DO HAVE SEVERAL LARGER SUBSTATIONS THAT FEED
02:20:30 SMALLER SUBSTATIONS AND MISSION SUBSTATION.
02:20:36 WHERE IS THE THE DIRECT UPSTREAM SOURCE FOR BOTH
02:20:40 STATION K AND THE RICHMOND AND STATION AND IN THE SUNSET.
02:20:47 AND AGAIN OVER THE COURSE OF THE THE EVENT WE WERE ABLE TO
02:20:49 TO RESTORE CUSTOMERS THROUGH REDUNDANCY AND FIND OTHER WAYS
02:20:52 TO TO TO PROVIDE POWER TO THOSE SMALLER SUBSTATIONS.
02:20:59 >> DOES PGE BELIEVE SAN FRANCISCO'S GRID AS CURRENTLY
02:21:03 CONFIGURED MEETS MODERN RESILIENCY STANDARDS FOR A
02:21:07 DENSE URBAN AREA WHERE A SINGLE SUBSTATION FAILURE CAN TAKE
02:21:11 DOWN SERVICE FOR MORE THAN 120,000 CUSTOMERS.
02:21:14 >> THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. >> FOR CONTEXT, THE OVER THE
02:21:25 LAST 20 YEARS PGE HAS INVESTED OVER $3 BILLION INTO THE LOCAL
02:21:28 GRID IN SAN FRANCISCO. 700 MILLION OF THAT HAS BEEN
02:21:31 DIRECTLY INTO SUBSTATIONS. SO THERE'S BEEN THERE'S BEEN A
02:21:35 FAIR AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT OVER OVER THE LAST TWO DECADES INTO
02:21:39 THE SYSTEM. >> AND THIS LARGE INCIDENT
02:21:43 IN DECEMBER NOT WITHSTANDING THIS WAS INCREDIBLY DISRUPTIVE
02:21:47 FOR OUR CUSTOMERS. WE RECOGNIZE THAT DISRUPTION
02:21:51 AND THE FRUSTRATION THAT IT CAUSED IF WE IF WE STEP BACK
02:21:55 AND LOOK AT SAN FRANCISCO RELIABILITY JUST FROM A FROM A
02:22:02 DATA PERSPECTIVE. SAN FRANCISCO HAS BETTER
02:22:06 RELIABILITY PERFORMANCE THAN MANY METRO AREAS IN CALIFORNIA
02:22:10 INCLUDING LOS ANGELES, SAN DIEGO AND SACRAMENTO.
02:22:14 AND THAT'S WHEN YOU INCLUDE MAJOR EVENT DAYS, MAJOR, MAJOR
02:22:18 IMPACTS LIKE WE LIKE WE SAW IN DECEMBER.
02:22:21 IT ALSO HAS BETTER RELIABILITY PERFORMANCE THAN OTHER METRO
02:22:25 AREAS ACROSS THE COMPANY ACROSS THE COUNTRY EXCUSE ME LIKE
02:22:29 TAMPA, HOUSTON, SEATTLE. SO AGAIN, NOT TO MINIMIZE AT
02:22:37 ALL THE THE EVENT THAN THE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED
02:22:41 IN DECEMBER. THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, ONE EVENT
02:22:42 LIKE THAT IS ONE EVENT TOO MANY.
02:22:45 BUT IF WE STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE THE OVERALL RELIABILITY
02:22:49 PERFORMANCE OF SAN FRANCISCO RELATIVE TO OTHER METRO AREAS,
02:22:53 IT'S AS I DESCRIBED IT ON FIRE SUPPRESSION EQUIPMENT.
02:22:56 >> THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SAID THAT THERE WERE WAS NO CURRENT
02:23:01 CO2 UNIT FOR THIS TYPE OF INCIDENT.
02:23:04 FIREFIGHTERS HAD TO LINE UP MULTIPLE CO2 EXTINGUISHERS
02:23:08 OUTSIDE THE ENTRANCES AND GRAB ONES AS THEY ENTERED.
02:23:11 IS IT CORRECT THAT CO2 UNITS ARE NOT INSTALLED TO COMBAT
02:23:13 THESE TYPE OF INCIDENTS? >> THE CO2 UNIT IS A IS A FIRE
02:23:20 APPARATUS. IT'S IT'S NOT A GENIE
02:23:23 APPARATUS. >> UH.
02:23:26 AND THEN STEPPING BACK FOR A MINUTE.
02:23:27 YOU MENTIONED THAT THE REPORT DID NOT EXPLICITLY CONCLUDE
02:23:31 THAT THE VENTILATION CAUSED THE FIRE.
02:23:32 HOWEVER, THE REPORT DID CONCLUDE THAT THE PROXIMATE
02:23:35 CAUSE OF THE FIRE WAS THE COMBINATION OF MOISTURE
02:23:39 AND SURFACE CONTAMINATION THAT ACCUMULATED ON THE INSTALLATION
02:23:42 BOARD. HOWEVER, ON THE DAY OF THE FIRE
02:23:45 THE FILTERS SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEANING THE AIR ENTERING THE
02:23:49 SUBSTATION WHERE THEY WERE SUBJECT SATURATED WITH WATER
02:23:53 AND NOT PROVIDING THE FILTRATION.
02:23:54 AND THIS DOESN'T KEEP THE DUST AND OTHER CONTAMINANTS OUT OF
02:23:57 THE STATION, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
02:24:03 DOES PGE INTEND TO PROVIDE A ROOT CAUSE REPORT?
02:24:07 YES. OKAY.
02:24:08 EXCELLENT. OKAY.
02:24:12 >> FOR FOR MY CLOTHES ON ON THIS IS TODAY WHAT WE RECEIVED
02:24:17 WAS A DIRECT CAUSE REPORT BUT SAN FRANCISCANS I THINK WOULD
02:24:21 WANT A FULL ROOT CAUSE ANALYSIS.
02:24:24 WE KNOW WHAT PHYSICALLY FAILED INSIDE ONE CUBICLE AND WE STILL
02:24:27 NEED TO KNOW WHY THAT FAILURE WAS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN, WHY IT
02:24:31 AFFECTED MORE THAN 120,000 CUSTOMERS AND WHETHER THE SAME
02:24:34 RISK EXISTS ELSEWHERE IN SAN FRANCISCO.
02:24:38 EVEN THIS PARTIAL REPORT IS TROUBLING.
02:24:41 SIX WEEKS BEFORE THE FIRE NEAR SAW MOISTURE HARD WATER
02:24:45 DEPOSITS, BURN MARKS AND MORE PAIN IN THE SAME EQUIPMENT AREA
02:24:47 THAT LATER FAILED. PGE REPLACED THE BREAKER BUT
02:24:50 LEFT THE DAMAGED INSULATING BOARD IN PLACE.
02:24:53 THE SAME BOARD IS NOW IDENTIFIED AS THE LIKELY DIRECT
02:24:57 CAUSE. THE REPORT ALSO POINTS TO
02:24:58 DEEPER PROBLEMS MOISTURE, PONDING WATER COMPROMISE
02:25:02 FILTERS, FAILED VENTILATION AND KNOWN MAINTENANCE ISSUES
02:25:05 INSIDE A CRITICAL SUBSTATION. THEN WHEN THE FIRE HAPPENED,
02:25:09 PGE WAITED MORE THAN AN HOUR TO CONTACT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
02:25:10 FIREFIGHTERS RESPONDED QUICKLY BUT WERE FORCED TO OPERATE WITH
02:25:14 LIMITED INFORMATION, INADEQUATE MAPPING AND UNCERTAINTY AROUND
02:25:18 SHUT OFF CAPABILITY. AND INSUFFICIENT FIRE
02:25:20 SUPPRESSION EQUIPMENT FOR THE RISK INSIDE THAT BUILDING.
02:25:24 THIS WAS JUST NOT JUST ONE UNFORESEEABLE EQUIPMENT
02:25:28 FAILURE. IT WAS A BREAKDOWN
02:25:29 IN MAINTENANCE MONITORING EMERGENCY NOTIFIED STATION FIRE
02:25:32 PREPAREDNESS AND SYSTEM RESILIENCY.
02:25:34 SAN FRANCISCANS DESERVE THE FULL ROOT CAUSE REPORT A PUBLIC
02:25:38 CORRECTIVE ACTION PLAN, CLEAR DEADLINES AND PROOF THAT PGE
02:25:42 HAS FIXED THESE CONDITIONS NOT JUST AT MISSION SUBSTATION BUT
02:25:45 ACROSS EVERY CRITICAL SUBSTATION SERVING SAN
02:25:49 FRANCISCO. A SINGLE FIRE AT ONE PGE
02:25:52 FACILITY SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO THROW A THIRD OF SAN FRANCISCO
02:25:55 INTO DARKNESS UNTIL PGD CAN SHOW WHAT FAILED, WHY IT
02:25:59 FAILED, WHAT HAS BEEN FIXED AND WHAT REMAINS AT RISK.
02:26:02 THIS HEARING IS NOT DONE BECAUSE THE FULL ROOT CAUSE
02:26:07 REPORT IS STILL OUTSTANDING. I BELIEVE THIS HEARING SHOULD
02:26:10 REMAIN OPEN. AND SO WITH THAT I MOVE THAT WE
02:26:14 CONTINUE THIS HEARING TO THE CALL THE CHAIR SO THIS
02:26:15 COMMITTEE CAN RETURN THIS MATTER.
02:26:18 ONCE PGD PROVIDES THE ROOT CAUSE REPORT.
02:26:19 THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.
02:26:22 SUPERVISOR WANG AND I WANT TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE TO YOU
02:26:26 AND TO SUPERVISOR MOM MAHMOOD FOR CALLING THE HEARING AND FOR
02:26:30 YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE THAT IS IMPACTING OR IMPACTED
02:26:34 NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT SAN FRANCISCO.
02:26:38 THANKS AS WELL TO VICE CHAIR SAUDER FOR HIS THOROUGH
02:26:41 QUESTIONING. THIS CONTINUED HEARING HAS BEEN
02:26:42 AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY FOR US AND FOR THE PUBLIC TO
02:26:46 UNDERSTAND THE CAUSES AND IMPACTS OF THESE OUTAGES AS
02:26:50 WELL AS THE FINDINGS AND NEXT STEPS BEING PRESENTED BY PGD
02:26:54 TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE COMMITTEE.
02:26:55 I WANT TO EXPRESS OUR GRATITUDE TO JEANNIE FOR RETURNING TO
02:26:58 CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION AND FOR PROVIDING ADDITIONAL
02:27:02 INFORMATION REGARDING THE OUTAGE.
02:27:03 THE RESPONSE EFFORTS. THE WORK BEING DONE TO HELP
02:27:05 PREVENT SIMILAR INCIDENTS INSTANCES IN THE FUTURE.
02:27:09 THANKS AS WELL ALSO TO THE DEPUTY CHIEF AND EVERYBODY AT
02:27:12 THE SAN FRANCISCO FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR YOUR WORK ON
02:27:13 THIS. I KNOW THIS COMMITTEE INTENDS
02:27:16 TO CONTINUE TO CLOSELY MONITOR THIS ISSUE AND TO HOLD PGE
02:27:19 ACCOUNTABLE. OUR CONSTITUENTS DESERVE
02:27:21 RELIABLE INFRASTRUCTURE, CLEAR COMMUNICATION DURING
02:27:24 EMERGENCIES AND CONFIDENCE THAT MEANINGFUL STEPS ARE BEING
02:27:27 TAKEN TO PREVENT OUTAGES LIKE THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN.
02:27:29 >> AND I THINK I HAVE NO QUESTIONS I SEE NO ONE ELSE ON
02:27:35 THE ROSTER. MR. CLERK, MAY WE AT THIS TIME
02:27:36 INVITE PUBLIC COMMENT? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
02:27:39 PUBLIC SAFETY NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES COMMITTEE WILL NOW
02:27:41 HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT RELATED TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO IF YOU
02:27:43 HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE
02:27:47 LECTERN AT THIS TIME. LOOKS LIKE WE MAY HAVE A
02:27:50 SPEAKER IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS YOU MAY LINE UP TO
02:27:51 SPEAK ALONG THAT WESTERN WALL. >> >> GOOD AFTERNOON SUPERVISOR
02:27:58 MY NAME IS LEON CHAO. >> I'M ON BEHALF I'M SPEAKING
02:28:01 ON BEHALF OF CHINESE SUNSETS CHINESE CAO JOE DISTRICT AS
02:28:06 WELL AS MIAMI SCHOOL. >> SINCE THE DECEMBER GENERALLY
02:28:12 POWER OUTAGE WHY MISSED SCHOOL THAT SUBMIT THE PAYMENT AND WAS
02:28:17 PROMPTLY REIMBURSED BY P ANY WHICH IS GOOD BUT HOWEVER THAT
02:28:25 DOESN'T SAY THAT WE CONDONE THE POWER OUTAGE THROUGH THE
02:28:29 WESTERN AS WELL AS THE CHINESE HOLIDAY SEASONS WHICH IS
02:28:33 TERRIBLE BUT HAVE A SAY THAT WE WANT TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS ABOUT
02:28:37 THE. THE SUNSET CULTURAL DISTRICT
02:28:42 USES WE WORKING WITH MONOLINE GOLD COMMITTEE AS WELL AS
02:28:50 RESIDENTS WITHIN THE HIGHLY AFFECTED AREAS IN BOTH A
02:28:53 RESIDENTIAL HOUSE AS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND URBAN
02:28:57 STREETS WE FIND THAT THE SIMILAR ACTUALLY WITH OTHER
02:29:01 REPORT IS THAT THE LACK OF. >> CHINESE OR EVEN OTHER
02:29:05 LANGUAGE SUPPORT ON THE BOTH ON THE UPDATE INFORMATIONS ON THE
02:29:13 OUTAGE AS WELL AS SO WE IN BERSAMIN ARE IN A PROCESS
02:29:19 NOW MIAMI SCHOOL AS BEING THE LONGEST 50 YEARS BILINGUAL
02:29:23 SCHOOL IN THE SUNSET AREA WE WANT.
02:29:27 >> ACTUALLY OFFERED A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE PGA NE TO
02:29:31 ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE CULTURAL AND LINGUISTIC COMPETITIVE SEE
02:29:40 TO MAKE SURE THAT IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES AND BUSINESS
02:29:43 CORRIDOR IN A WAY THAT WILL BE ACCESSIBLE.
02:29:47 RESPECTFUL AND ACTUALLY PROACTIVELY PREVENT THINGS THAT
02:29:51 HAPPEN LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE SO WE WANT AS I SAID WE WANT TO
02:29:56 AND ENCOURAGE YOU AND WE WILL LIKE TO PUNISH YOU.
02:29:59 >> REPEAT THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
02:30:01 YOU ACTUALLY OH THANK YOU. TO MAKE SURE DOES IMPROVE THE
02:30:03 COMMITTEE FACT LET'S HAVE THE NEXT SPEAKER PLACE.
02:30:09 HELLO THERE. GOOD AFTERNOON SUPERVISOR I AM
02:30:14 VANESSA PIMENTEL AND I AM READING THIS COMMENT ON BEHALF
02:30:15 OF MASOOD SOMALI PRESIDENT I'M SAN FRANCISCO MINORITY CHAMBER
02:30:18 OF COMMERCE FOUNDATION. >> SINCE THE DECEMBER 20TH
02:30:22 OUTAGE. GENIUS SHOWN A REAL COMMITMENT
02:30:26 TO HELPING MERCHANTS RECOVER THEIR CONTINUED PRESENCE IN THE
02:30:29 COMMUNITY ALONG WITH THE SUPPORT THEY PROVIDE.
02:30:31 IT HAS MADE A MEANINGFUL DIFFERENCE AS SMALL BUSINESSES
02:30:34 WORK TO REBUILD FOLLOWING THE OUTAGE.
02:30:38 >> AND HE STEPPED UP IN WAYS THAT DIRECTLY SUPPORTED LOCAL
02:30:41 MERCHANTS THERE IN LANGUAGE CLAIMS ASSISTANCE, MULTILINGUAL
02:30:43 OUTREACH AND SMALL BUSINESS WORKSHOPS HELPED MANY NAVIGATE
02:30:46 AN INCREDIBLE STRETCH. >> AWFUL SITUATION G AND E HAS
02:30:50 BEEN IRRESPONSIBLE PARTNERS THROUGHOUT THIS RECOVERY
02:30:54 PROCESS. THE IN-PERSON SUPPORT
02:30:57 AND RESOURCES THEY OFFERED HELP REBUILD TRUST AND REMINDED
02:31:01 BUSINESS OWNERS THAT THEY ARE NOT NAVIGATING THIS RECOVERY
02:31:02 ALONE. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUE
02:31:06 PARTNERSHIP AND COLLABORATION TO ENSURE SMALL BUSINESSES HAVE
02:31:08 THE SUPPORT, RESOURCES AND RESPONSIVENESS THEY NEED TO
02:31:13 RECOVER AND THRIVE. WE ALSO URGE CITY LEADERSHIP
02:31:16 AND PGA NEED TO CONTINUE WORKING TOGETHER IN GOOD FAITH
02:31:18 TO MAKE THIS WORK FOR RESIDENTS AND SMALL BUSINESSES WITH A
02:31:21 SHARED COMMITMENT TO ACCOUNTABILITY, RESPONSIVENESS
02:31:24 AND STRONGER COORDINATION DURING FUTURE EMERGENCIES.
02:31:29 >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
02:31:30 DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM
02:31:33 NUMBER TWO MR. CHAIR THANK YOU MR. CLARKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON
02:31:37 THIS ITEM IS NOW CLOSED AND WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY
02:31:41 SUPERVISOR WONG TO CONTINUE THIS HEARING.
02:31:45 TO THE CALL OF THE CHAIR MR. CLERK MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL
02:31:48 ON THAT MOTION? >> THE MOTION OFFERED BY MEMBER
02:31:50 WONG THAT THIS HEARING BE CONTINUED TO THE CALL THE CHAIR
02:31:52 VICE CHAIR. SADR I REMEMBER WANG WANG I
02:31:56 DROVE DORSEY I DORSEY I MR. CHAIR THERE ARE THREE EYES.
02:31:58 >> THANK YOU MR. CLERK THE MOTION PASSES AND MR. CLERK MAY
02:32:02 WE PLEASE CALL THE NEXT ITEM ITEM NUMBER THREE GENDA ITEM
02:32:06 NUMBER THREE IS A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING CALIFORNIA STATE
02:32:07 ASSEMBLY BILL 1837 INTRODUCED BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER MARK
02:32:10 GONZALES WHICH WILL AUTHORIZE THE USE OF VIDEO IMAGING TO
02:32:13 ENFORCE PARKING AND STOPPING VIOLATIONS IN TRANSIT ORIENTED
02:32:17 LANES EXCUSE ME TRANSIT ONLY LANES AND BIKEWAYS
02:32:21 INDEFINITELY. >> THANK YOU, MR. CLERK.
02:32:22 THIS RESOLUTION WAS INTRODUCED BY OUR COLLEAGUE DISTRICT TWO
02:32:26 SUPERVISOR STEVEN CHERYL. I UNDERSTAND HIS LEGISLATIVE
02:32:29 AIDE LORENZO LORENZO ROSAS IS HERE THIS MORNING TO GIVE US A
02:32:34 BRIEF PRESENTATION. MR. ROGERS, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
02:32:37 >> THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:32:41 CHAIR DORSEY VICE CHAIR SAUDER AND SUPERVISOR WONG.
02:32:44 >> I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF SUPERVISOR CHERYL TO TALK ABOUT
02:32:46 ASSEMBLY BILL NUMBER 1837 AUTHORED BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER
02:32:49 MARKET CZAR. >> SPECIFICALLY THIS BILL
02:32:52 EXTENDS THE SUNSET DATE FOR OUR ABILITY TO ENFORCE PARKING
02:32:56 VIOLATIONS IN SPECIFIED TRANSIT ONLY TRAFFIC LANES AND AT
02:32:57 TRANSIT STOPS THROUGH THE USE OF VIDEO IMAGING.
02:33:00 CURRENTLY OUR AUTHORIZATION TO USE VIDEO IMAGING FOR PARKING
02:33:04 ENFORCEMENT EXPIRES ON JANUARY FIRST, 2027.
02:33:07 THIS BILL EXTENDS THAT AUTHORIZATION TO JANUARY FIRST,
02:33:11 2034 WITH ITS PASSAGE HB 1837 WILL CONTINUE TO EMPOWER US.
02:33:14 TO USE THIS SUCCESSFUL TECHNOLOGY TO CURTAIL DOUBLE
02:33:18 PARKING IN KEY TRANSIT ONLY LANES INCREASING THE
02:33:22 RELIABILITY OF OUR PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM AND SAN
02:33:23 FRANCISCO HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PIONEER ON THIS FRONT.
02:33:26 IN 2007 THEN ASSEMBLY MEMBER FIONA MA PASSED ASSEMBLY BILL
02:33:30 ONE ON ONE WHICH ESTABLISHED THE FIRST PILOT PROGRAM IN THE
02:33:33 STATE TO ALLOW FOR VIDEO IMAGING PARKING TICKETS
02:33:35 IN TRANSIT ONLY LANES FOLLOWING ITS PASSAGE 78 FOUND THAT
02:33:40 TRANSIT DELAYS WERE REDUCED BY AS MUCH AS 20% DURING THAT
02:33:43 PILOT PROGRAM AND THIS SUCCESS HAS CONTINUED THROUGHOUT THE
02:33:46 STATE. WE'VE EXPANDED NOW IN THE STATE
02:33:48 TO ALAMEDA CONTRA COSTA COUNTIES IN 2016 AND LOS
02:33:53 ANGELES COUNTY IN 2021. SO AS MORE COUNTIES ADOPT THIS
02:33:57 PROGRAM WE CONTINUE TO SEE THE FRUITS COME TO BEAR COUNTIES
02:34:00 ARE GENERATING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN REVENUE, TRANSIT
02:34:01 LINES ARE MORE RELIABLE AND DOUBLE PARKING IS
02:34:04 SIGNIFICANTLY DETERRED. THUS.
02:34:05 COMMITTEE MEMBERS SEE RESOLUTION IS PROUD TO SUPPORT
02:34:08 THIS EXTENSION OF THIS SUCCESSFUL TECHNOLOGY SO WE CAN
02:34:12 CONTINUE TO REAP ITS BENEFITS AND WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
02:34:13 YOUR SUPPORT. >> THANK YOU AND I'M HERE TO
02:34:17 ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MR. RUSSELL'S VICE
02:34:19 CHAIR SLAUGHTER THANK YOU AND THANK YOU TO THE DISTRICT
02:34:21 TWO OFFICE FOR BRINGING THIS TO US.
02:34:24 YOU KNOW, I THINK TRANSIT LANES AND KEEPING OUR TRAFFIC MOVING
02:34:29 IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. BUT WE NEED ENFORCEMENT
02:34:31 AND THIS IS A KEY PART OF THAT. SO TO THE CLERK I'D LIKE TO BE
02:34:36 ADDED AS A CO-SPONSOR ON THIS PLEASE.
02:34:37 >> THANK YOU. GOOD.
02:34:39 THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR SUTTER AND I DON'T
02:34:43 SEE ANYONE ELSE WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
02:34:44 MR. CLERK CAN WE INVITE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM?
02:34:47 >> DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM THERE
02:34:49 ARE THREE. >> MR. CHAIR, THERE'S NO ONE
02:34:50 HERE. THANK YOU, MR. CLERK.
02:34:53 PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM IS NOW CLOSED AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE
02:34:57 A MOTION AT THIS TIME TO SEND THIS ITEM TO THE FULL BOARD OF
02:34:58 SUPERVISORS WITH OUR POSITIVE RECOMMENDATIONS.
02:35:01 >> COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL ON THAT MOTION ON THE MOTION
02:35:04 OFFERED BY THE CHAIR THAT THIS RESOLUTION BE SENT TO THE BOARD
02:35:06 OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF PUBLIC SAFETY
02:35:08 NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES COMMITTEE VICE CHAIR SUTTER SUTTER I
02:35:09 REMEMBER WANG WANG I. TO DORSEY ALL RIGHT DORSEY I.
02:35:13 MR. CHAIR, THERE ARE THREE EYES.
02:35:16 >> THANK YOU, MR. CLERK. THE MOTION PASSES.
02:35:17 CONGRATULATIONS TO THE DISTRICT TWO OFFICE.
02:35:19 MR. CLERK, CAN WE PLEASE CALL ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON THIS
02:35:23 AGENDA? >> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A
02:35:24 RESOLUTION RECOGNIZING APRIL SIXTH, 2026 AS THE 100TH
02:35:27 ANNIVERSARY OF UNITED AIRLINES AND ITS CENTRAL ROLE IN SAN
02:35:31 FRANCISCO'S ECONOMY AND GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY.
02:35:35 >> THANK YOU, MR. CLERK. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYONE
02:35:36 IN THE CHAMBER TO PRESENT ON THIS ITEM TODAY SO I'M GOING TO
02:35:39 STEP IN AND OR DO WE LET'S OPEN IT AND THEN CLOSE IT.
02:35:43 I'M SORRY YOU'RE DISCUSSING OPENING AND THEN CLOSING PUBLIC
02:35:47 COMMENT. OH, SORRY.
02:35:50 >> MAYBE MAYBE I'M JUMPING THE GUN NOW OR ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
02:35:53 THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH I WAS GOING TO PRESENT ON
02:35:55 IT. OKAY.
02:35:57 OKAY. SO I DON'T.
02:35:58 MY UNDERSTANDING YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE TO PRESENT ON
02:36:01 THIS BUT I DID WANT TO PINCH HIT FOR PRESIDENT RANDLEMAN WHO
02:36:03 AUTHORED THE RESOLUTION. THIS IS A SIMPLE
02:36:06 STRAIGHTFORWARD COMMENDATION ITEM RECOGNIZING UNITED
02:36:10 AIRLINES 100TH ANNIVERSARY AND ITS LONG STANDING
02:36:13 PARTNERSHIP WITH SAN FRANCISCO UNITED'S HUB AT SFO IS
02:36:17 CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO OUR CITY'S ECONOMY SUPPORTING JOBS,
02:36:18 TOURISM CONVENTIONS AND SAN FRANCISCO'S ROLE AS A GLOBAL
02:36:22 BUSINESS CENTER. HAVING UNITED'S PRIMARY WEST
02:36:25 COAST HUB LOCATED AT SFO GIVES SAN FRANCISCO AN ENORMOUS
02:36:28 COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE AND STRENGTHENS OUR
02:36:32 CONNECTIVITY TO THE WORLD. WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THE THOUSANDS
02:36:33 OF UNION WORKERS AND FRONTLINE EMPLOYEES WHO KEEP THESE
02:36:37 OPERATIONS MOVING EVERY DAY UNDER CEO SCOTT KIRBY'S
02:36:41 LEADERSHIP, UNITED HAS CONTINUED TO INVEST
02:36:42 IN INNOVATION INTERNATIONAL GROWTH, OPERATIONAL RELIABILITY
02:36:45 AND SUSTAINABILITY HELPING POSITION THE AIRLINE AS AN
02:36:48 INDUSTRY LEADER. I WILL ALSO SAY AS A MEMBER OF
02:36:51 THE LGBTQ PLUS COMMUNITY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THAT UNITED
02:36:56 WAS THE FIRST MAJOR U.S. AIRLINE TO FULLY RECOGNIZE
02:36:59 DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS AND IN 1999 FOR WELL OVER A DECADE IT
02:37:03 HAS REGULARLY RECEIVED PERFECT SCORES ON THE HUMAN RIGHTS
02:37:06 CAMPAIGN CORPORATE EQUALITY INDEX.
02:37:09 UNITED WAS THE FIRST U.S. AIRLINE TO OFFER NINE
02:37:12 NON-BINARY GENDER BOOKINGS OPTIONS AND AMEX HONORIFICS
02:37:16 IN ITS RESERVATION SYSTEMS IN 2019.
02:37:19 UNITED HAS ALSO MAINTAINED AN LGBTQ PLUS EQUALITY RESOURCE
02:37:23 GROUP CALLED EQUAL AND IT IS HISTORICALLY MARKETED TO LGBTQ
02:37:26 PLUS TRAVELERS FAR EARLIER THAN MANY OF ITS COMPETITORS
02:37:30 AND UNITED HAS BEEN A MAJOR SPONSOR OF SAN FRANCISCO'S
02:37:34 LGBTQ PLUS PRIDE PARADE AND CELEBRATION YEAR AFTER YEAR
02:37:38 GOING BACK TO THE 1990. SO THANK YOU UNITED AIRLINES
02:37:42 FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR OUR CITY AND FOR ITS DIVERSE COMMUNITIES
02:37:43 AND CONGRATULATIONS ON 100 YEARS OF SERVICE AND FOR YOUR
02:37:47 CONTINUED INVESTMENT IN SAN FRANCISCO.
02:37:50 AND WITH THAT, WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS
02:37:51 ITEM? DO WE HAVE ANYONE WHO HAS
02:37:54 PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, MR. CHAIR?
02:37:57 >> WELL, THE COMMENT IS NOW CLOSED MEAN I'D LIKE TO MAKE A
02:38:01 MOTION AT THIS TIME TO SEND THIS ITEM TO THE FULL BOARD OF
02:38:04 SUPERVISORS WITH OUR POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THE MOTION
02:38:07 OFFERED BY THE CHAIR THAT THIS RESOLUTION BE RECOMMENDED TO
02:38:09 THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS VICE CHAIR SARTOR.
02:38:11 SARTOR I REMEMBER WONG WONG I TRIED TO SAY I DON'T I MR.
02:38:16 CHAIR THERE ARE THREE EYES. >> THANK YOU MR. CLERK THE ROLL
02:38:19 THE MOTION PASSES. MR. CLERK DO WE HAVE ANY
02:38:20 FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE US TODAY?
02:38:23 THERE IS NO FURTHER BUSINESS. THANK YOU MR. CLERK AND THANK
02:38:26 YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION.
02:38:27 >> THE MEETING IS NOW ADJOURNED