00:00:12 . GOOD MORNING.
00:00:16 THIS MEETING WILL COME TO ORDER.
00:00:17 WELCOME TO THE MAY 21ST 2026 REGULAR MEETING OF THE
00:00:20 GOVERNMENT AUDIT AND OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.
00:00:23 >> I'M SUPERVISOR STEPHEN SHERYL CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE
00:00:27 JOINED BY VICE CHAIR MAHMOOD THIS MORNING COMMITTEE CLERK IS
00:00:30 MONIQUE CREIGHTON AND THANKS TO EUGENE LABADIE OF S.F. GOV TV
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00:01:09 COMMENTS VIA U.S. POSTAL SERVICE TO OUR OFFICE IN CITY
00:01:12 HALL. NUMBER ONE DR. CARLTON B GOOD
00:01:15 PLACE ROOM 244 SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA NINE FOR 1 OR 2 IF
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00:01:27 DEVICES TO PREVENT ANY INTERRUPTIONS TO TODAY'S
00:01:30 PROCEEDINGS. FINALLY, ITEMS ACTED UPON TODAY
00:01:31 ARE EXPECTED TO APPEAR ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT AGENDA
00:01:35 OF JUNE 2ND, 2026 UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED.
00:01:37 >> THANK YOU MADAM CLERK WE PLEASE CALL ITEM NUMBER ONE.
00:01:42 >> YES. ITEM NUMBER ONE IS AN ORDINANCE
00:01:44 APPROVING A MINUTE SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY POLICIES FOR THE
00:01:48 DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS USE OF UNMANNED AERIAL VEHICLES,
00:01:52 DRONES AND THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS USE OF ILLEGAL
00:01:56 DUMPING CAMERA SYSTEM WITH AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READER
00:01:59 TECHNOLOGY AND CAMERAS AND MAKING REQUIRED FINDINGS
00:02:03 IN SUPPORT OF SAID APPROVALS. >> THANK YOU TODAY WE HAVE
00:02:07 ESTHER LEE, RAMSES ALVAREZ AND JOHN JONES HERE TO PRESENT
00:02:10 ON ITEM NUMBER ONE. >> GOOD MORNING.
00:02:11 MORNING. THANK YOU.
00:02:15 THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
00:02:16 CHAIR SHERYL VICE CHAIR MAHMOOD I AM ESTHER LEE, GOVERNMENT
00:02:20 AFFAIRS LIAISON WITH THE SAN FRANCISCO PUBLIC WORKS.
00:02:23 I AM JOINED HERE TODAY WITH RAMSEY ALVAREZ PUBLIC WORKS
00:02:26 MANAGER OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND JOHN JONES PUBLIC WORKS
00:02:31 MANAGER OF I.T INFRASTRUCTURE OPERATIONS AND SECURITY AT
00:02:34 PUBLIC WORKS. IN ACCORDANCE WITH
00:02:35 ADMINISTRATIVE CODE 19 B WE ARE HERE TODAY TO PRESENT THE
00:02:39 DEPARTMENT'S SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY POLICY AMENDMENTS TO
00:02:43 THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR APPROVAL POLICY AMENDMENTS THAT
00:02:47 WILL ENHANCE THE DEPARTMENT'S EFFORTS TO COMBAT ILLEGAL
00:02:50 DUMPING. >> SAN FRANCISCO PUBLIC WORKS
00:02:56 HAS TWO SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY POLICIES FOR AMENDMENT TODAY A
00:02:58 DRONE USE POLICY AND AN AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER
00:03:01 USAGE POLICY THE LATTER OF WHICH WE AIM TO RENAME THE
00:03:06 ILLEGAL DUMPING CAMERA SYSTEM POLICY AMONG OTHER AMENDMENTS
00:03:15 AND SO PUBLIC WORKS DRONE POLICY WAS ADOPTED WITH BOARD
00:03:17 OF SUPERVISORS APPROVAL IN 2021 FOR THE DRONE POLICY.
00:03:21 THE AMENDMENTS WE SEEK TO SUPERVISORS APPROVAL WILL
00:03:24 EXPAND THE AUTHORIZED USE TO IDENTIFY ILLEGAL DUMPING REFUSE
00:03:28 AND FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION AND PROMOTION OF PUBLIC WORKS
00:03:31 OPERATIONS. >> DRONES HAVE BEEN USED IN THE
00:03:38 PAST FOR INSPECTION OF DIFFICULT TO REACH LOCATIONS
00:03:40 HILLSIDES OR TALL SIDES OF PUBLIC ASSETS.
00:03:43 THE PHOTO IN THE SLIDE DECK IS FROM 2019 IT'S OF A DRONE USE
00:03:53 ON THE HILLSIDE OF A FILBERT STREET.
00:03:54 >> DRONES HAVE BEEN USED THE FOLLOWING YEAR TO ASSESS THE
00:03:57 O'SHAUGHNESSY BOULEVARD ROCK SIGHTING FOR ASSESSMENT PRIOR
00:04:01 TO A HILLSIDE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
00:04:05 MORE RECENTLY DRONES HAVE BEEN USED BY OUR ENGINEERING TEAM
00:04:08 FOR HILLSIDE INSPECTION ON ON MONTGOMERY STREET.
00:04:11 THE APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENTS WILL PROVIDE MORE TOOLS TO
00:04:13 PUBLIC WORKS TO IDENTIFY AND CLEAN ILLEGAL DUMPING
00:04:16 LOCATIONS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE VERY EAGER TO UTILIZE.
00:04:22 >> AND SO PUBLIC WORKS ALSO HAS A POLICY FOR AUTOMATED LICENSE
00:04:27 PLATE READER TO USE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO REMOVE
00:04:31 THE OUTDATED NAME THAT INCLUDED A DEFUNCT VENDOR AND IT
00:04:34 CLARIFIES THE BUSINESS JUSTIFICATION FOR A
00:04:35 COMPREHENSIVE ILLEGAL DUMPING CAMERA SYSTEM TO CAPTURE
00:04:39 LICENSE PLATES OF VEHICLES INVOLVED IN SUSPECTED ILLEGAL
00:04:43 DUMPING ACTIVITIES AS EVIDENCE FOR ENFORCEMENT THE PUBLIC
00:04:47 WORKS ILLEGAL DUMPING CAMERA SYSTEM CONSISTS OF A A TWO
00:04:54 CAMERA SYSTEM AT EACH LOCATION A VIDEO CAMERA WITH PAN TILT
00:04:58 ZOOM CAPABILITIES AND AN AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER
00:05:04 WITH THE CAPABILITY TO CAPTURE LICENSE PLATES OF VEHICLES
00:05:05 VIDEO FOOTAGE WILL CAPTURE EVIDENCE OF ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES
00:05:09 AND THEY ALPA WILL CAPTURE THE LICENSE PLATE OF VEHICLES USED
00:05:13 BY VIOLATORS. THE EVIDENCE RETRIEVED WILL
00:05:16 BOTH THE EVIDENCE RETRIEVED BY BOTH CAMERAS WILL BE USED TO
00:05:20 ISSUE CITATIONS TO VIOLATORS CONNECTED TO THE VEHICLE
00:05:24 AND THE ILLEGAL ACT AND THE NEWLY NAMED ILLEGAL DUMPING
00:05:31 CAMERA SYSTEMS. SURVEILLANCE TECH POLICY
00:05:35 DEFINES THE MANNER IN WHICH THESE CAMERAS WILL BE USED TO
00:05:39 SUPPORT THE DEPARTMENT'S MISSION TO MAKE SAN FRANCISCO
00:05:40 CLEANER, SAFER AND MORE BEAUTIFUL WHEN THE AUTOMATED
00:05:43 LICENSE PLATE READER POLICY WAS APPROVED IN 2021, THE
00:05:47 AUTHORIZED USE WAS SOLELY TO DISCOURAGE ILLEGAL DUMPING.
00:05:50 >> THE POLICY ALLOWED THE DEPARTMENT TO AND THIS POLICY
00:05:54 ALLOWS THE DEPARTMENT TO CONTINUE WORKING FOR THIS
00:05:57 PURPOSE AND WE INTEND TO UTILIZE THIS TECHNOLOGY TO
00:06:01 CATCH VIOLATORS IN THE ACT AND CITE THEM FOR THEIR ILLEGAL
00:06:04 ACTIVITIES FOR BOTH THE ILLEGAL DUMPING CAMERA SYSTEM AND THE
00:06:09 DRONE POLICY, WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL TO ALLOW THE
00:06:12 DEPARTMENT TO USE CLIPS AND FOOTAGE JUST FOR PUBLIC
00:06:14 EDUCATION AND PROMOTION OF OUR OPERATIONS.
00:06:16 WE ARE REQUESTING THIS AUTHORIZATION BECAUSE EDUCATING
00:06:20 AND WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC ARE CORE VALUES THAT PUBLIC WORKS
00:06:24 PARTNERSHIPS WITH A PUBLIC COMMUNITY GROUPS, CONTRACTORS,
00:06:28 US SISTER DEPARTMENT AGENCIES AND VOLUNTEERS ARE ESSENTIAL TO
00:06:32 THE DEPARTMENT'S SUCCESS KEEPING THE CITY CLEAN.
00:06:39 >> AND IF I MAY SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY PUBLIC WORKS TEAM MEMBERS
00:06:43 IN THIS ROOM WE WANT VIOLATORS WHO DUMP GARBAGE IN SAN
00:06:47 FRANCISCO OR VIOLATORS WHO COME TO SAN FRANCISCO TO DUMP THEIR
00:06:51 GARBAGE ON OUR STREETS TO KNOW THAT WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY WE
00:06:57 WILL CATCH YOU, WE WILL FIND YOU AND WE WILL PUBLICLY SHAME
00:06:59 YOU WITH SAFEGUARDS OF COURSE. SO PHOTOS OF THE DUMPING
00:07:05 ACTIVITY HERE IN THE SLIDE YOU CAN SEE WAS PROVIDED BY A
00:07:06 RESIDENT ON RAMSES ALVAREZ'S TEAM THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT
00:07:10 TEAM AS AN EXAMPLE OF DRIVER WHO INTENTIONALLY LEAVE GARBAGE
00:07:14 ON CITY STREETS WITH THE AMENDMENTS TO OUR LICENSE PLATE
00:07:18 READER POLICY THE ILLEGAL DUMPING CAMERA SYSTEM VIDEO
00:07:21 COVERAGE COUPLED WITH LICENSE PLATE CLIPS PROVIDE THE
00:07:25 EVIDENCE TO LAWFULLY SIGHT VEHICLE OWNERS.
00:07:29 >> THE PROPOSED LOCATIONS FOR ILLEGAL DUMPING CAMERAS HAVE
00:07:34 BEEN IDENTIFIED BY OUR BUREAU OF OF STREET ENVIRONMENTAL
00:07:37 SERVICES DATA FOR SERVICE ORDERS.
00:07:40 WHERE WERE PACKER TRUCKS LIKE THE BIG TRUCKS HAVE BEEN
00:07:44 DISPATCHED. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT PICK
00:07:45 LARGER LARGER ITEMS FROM ILLEGAL DUMPING HOTSPOTS
00:07:48 AND FROM THE WORK OF OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TEAM
00:07:54 AND WITH REGARD TO DATA SECURITY, SAN FRANCISCO PUBLIC
00:07:56 WORKS FOLLOW CITY AND COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO CITYWIDE POLICIES
00:07:59 AND GUIDELINES ACCESS TO DATA IS LIMITED TO SPECIFIC
00:08:02 EMPLOYEES DATA RETENTION POLICIES ARE EXACTLY THE WAY
00:08:07 CITY AND COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO POLICIES ARE 30 DAYS
00:08:10 FOR FOR RAW DATA ONLY VIDEO CLIPS AND IMAGES WILL BE
00:08:14 RETAINED FOR AUTHORIZED USE IN THIS POLICY WHICH IS RELATED
00:08:17 TO ILLEGAL DUMPING FOR DATA SHARING SHARING OF DATA WITH
00:08:21 EXTERNAL PARTIES IS PROHIBITED CLIPS FOR AUTHORIZED USES MAY
00:08:25 BE SHARED WITH CITY DEPARTMENTS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS TO
00:08:29 PURSUE CRIMINAL CHARGES FOR ILLEGAL DUMPING ONLY WHEN IT
00:08:33 COMES TO STORAGE OPTIONS WE HAVE OPTIONS THAT WE LIKE TO
00:08:38 KEEP KEEP OPEN DATA MAY BE STORED IN A DEPARTMENT SO OUR
00:08:42 DEPARTMENT LOCAL STORAGE DRIVE DATA MAY BE STORED IN A VENDOR
00:08:46 MANAGED STORAGE SYSTEM OR DATA MAY BE STORED IN A SOFTWARE AS
00:08:49 A SERVICE SYSTEM. THE SAME DATA RETENTION 30 DAY
00:08:54 RAW DATA RETENTION APPLIES TO TWO VENDORS.
00:08:59 >> SO JUST BEFORE I FINISHED THE PRESENTATION I JUST WANT TO
00:09:03 THANK SUPERVISOR AMON WALTON AND HIS OFFICE FOR WORKING WITH
00:09:07 PUBLIC WORKS OVER THE YEARS FOCUSING ON DETERRENCE TO
00:09:10 ILLEGAL DUMPING. WORKING WITH OUR TEAM TO ADD
00:09:13 SOME MUSCLE TO HELP US IDENTIFY AND SITE VIOLATORS.
00:09:17 WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR HIS SUPPORT OF THIS ORDINANCE
00:09:18 AND THAT AND THE ILLEGAL DUMPING CAMERA SYSTEMS FOCUS ON
00:09:21 COMBATING ILLEGAL DUMPING CITYWIDE.
00:09:25 SO RAMSEYS AND JOHN ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE
00:09:29 COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
00:09:30 >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:09:33 >> FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS GREAT. APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK
00:09:34 ON THIS QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. >> FINES FOR PEOPLE THAT WE
00:09:38 CATCH. I'M ASSUMING THAT THE THE FINES
00:09:42 ARE ISSUED RELATIVELY AUTOMATICALLY BUT WHAT ARE THE
00:09:45 FINES THEY ESCALATED AND THEN WHAT ARE THE ACCOUNTABILITY
00:09:49 MEASURES IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T PAY?
00:09:50 >> THANK THANK YOU SUPERVISOR RENT IS ALVAREZ COMMUNITY
00:09:56 ENGAGEMENT MANAGER FOR PUBLIC WORKS THE FINE FOR SOMETHING
00:10:00 THAT IS CAUGHT ON CAMERA WOULD BE AUTOMATIC MAXIMUM FINE WHICH
00:10:04 IS CURRENTLY $1,000 GREAT AND IS LIKE A SECOND OFFENSE
00:10:08 THIRD OFFENSE FOURTH EVENTS AND ESCALATOR ARE JUST A
00:10:09 THOUSAND BUCKS. >> IT'S $1,000 EACH TIME WE ARE
00:10:12 EXPLORING INCREASING THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO
00:10:16 PURSUE IN THE FUTURE. >> OKAY INTERESTING WHAT
00:10:19 HAPPENS IF SOMEONE DOESN'T PAY ULTIMATELY THE FINE IS SENT TO
00:10:24 IF IT WAS AN OCCURRENCE THAT WE CAUGHT ON CAMERA WE WOULD TIE
00:10:28 THE ILLEGAL DUMPING TO WHOMEVER IS THE REGISTERED LICENSE
00:10:32 OWNER. WE WOULD SEND THEM THE FINE IF
00:10:35 THEY IGNORE IT. ULTIMATELY IF THE PROPERTY IS
00:10:39 IN SAN FRANCISCO WE WOULD START A PROCESS THAT ENDS IN A LEAN
00:10:43 ON THAT PROPERTY. SO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHEN
00:10:44 THEY NEED TO PAY THEIR PROPERTY TAX THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THAT
00:10:46 FINE. >> BUT WHAT IF THEY DON'T LIVE
00:10:48 IN SAN FRANCISCO? THAT'S ONE OF THE PINCH POINTS
00:10:51 FOR US RIGHT NOW. >> WHAT ARE OUR LEGAL OPTIONS
00:10:54 AS OF RIGHT NOW? >> I'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU
00:10:58 ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW.
00:10:59 THAT'S THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.
00:11:02 DO WE HAVE A SENSE AT THIS POINT OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE
00:11:03 COMING FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY TO DUMP VERSUS CITY RESIDENTS?
00:11:05 >> I MEAN WE DON'T HAVE ANY HARD STATISTICAL DATA BUT FROM
00:11:09 AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT I CAN TELL YOU MOST OF THEM ARE
00:11:13 DUMPING FROM SAN FRANCISCO ADDRESSES THAT HAVE LICENSE
00:11:17 PLATES. BUT WE DO GET THE OCCASIONAL
00:11:18 OUT OF TOWN. >> ALL RIGHT.
00:11:21 WELL, LOOK, THIS IS GREAT. GREAT JOB.
00:11:24 THE THING THAT I WOULD ASK IS GOING FORWARD AS WE SEE THE
00:11:26 RESULTS COME IN, I THINK WE'D ALL LIKE TO BE KEPT IN THE LOOP
00:11:29 IF WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF OUT-OF-TOWNERS AND IF WE NEED
00:11:33 TO ADJUST AS NEEDED, I THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO JUST TRY TO BE
00:11:37 PROACTIVE BUT THIS IS AWESOME. IT'S A GREAT STEP FORWARD.
00:11:38 THANK YOU. COLLEAGUES, YOU HAVE ANY
00:11:39 QUESTIONS? >> OKAY, I SEE.
00:11:44 >> OH YES, A LITTLE BIT. ESTHER LEE GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS
00:11:45 LIAISON. WHEN IT COMES TO OUT-OF-TOWNERS
00:11:48 WHO DON'T LIVE IN SAN FRANCISCO AND THE CITATIONS DON'T HOLD.
00:11:51 ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR AN AUTHORIZED USE
00:11:54 THAT INCLUDES PUBLIC EDUCATION, A PROMOTION AND AUTHORIZATION
00:11:59 FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I'M SORRY OUR COMMUNICATION
00:12:00 STAFF TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE CLIPS OF ILLEGAL VIOLATORS
00:12:06 ILLEGAL DUMPING THE VIOLATORS IS BECAUSE WE DO PLAN TO PUT
00:12:08 THIS ON OUR WEBSITE AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND IT'S A PLAY TO
00:12:14 SAY IT'S PUBLIC EDUCATION BUT TO US WE PLAN TO SHAME THESE
00:12:18 PEOPLE FOR COMING INTO SAN FRANCISCO AND DUMPING THEIR
00:12:19 TRASH IN ONTO OUR STREETS. >> GREAT.
00:12:22 WELL, IN CASE SHAMING DOESN'T WORK, PLEASE KEEP US ABREAST OF
00:12:26 ANY CHANGES WE MAY NEED TO MAKE AND FIGHT FOR WITH OTHER
00:12:30 JURISDICTIONS. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
00:12:33 >> COLLEAGUES QUESTIONS. >> NO SEEING NO QUESTIONS FROM
00:12:37 COLLEAGUES. MADAM CLERK, CAN WE TAKE PUBLIC
00:12:39 COMMENT? YES.
00:12:41 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM SHOULD
00:12:42 LINE UP NOW ALONG THE SIDE BY THE WINDOWS.
00:12:45 >> ALL SPEAKERS WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES SEEING NO SPEAKERS.
00:12:49 PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW CLOSED. >> I'D LIKE TO MOVE THIS ITEM
00:12:57 TO THE FULL BOARD WITH POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION AND MADAM CLERK,
00:13:01 CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? >> YES, I'M ON THE MOTION TO
00:13:04 FORWARD THIS ORDINANCE THE FULL BOARD WITH A POSITIVE
00:13:06 RECOMMENDATION IN FISCHER MAHMUD FISCHER MAHMUD I CHAIR
00:13:10 CHERYL I CHAIR CHERYL I HAVE TWO EYES.
00:13:13 >> THANK YOU. THE MOTION PASSES.
00:13:16 >> MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL ITEM NUMBER TWO.
00:13:19 >> YES. ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A HEARING ON
00:13:20 THE VICIOUS AND DANGEROUS DOG UNIT INQUIRING ABOUT THE PLAN
00:13:24 TO HIRE A HEARING OFFICER. RESTART HEARING PROCEEDINGS,
00:13:27 ADDRESS THE EXISTING CASE BACKLOG AND IMPROVE PROCEEDINGS
00:13:31 THROUGH DOG BEHAVIOR A COURSE REQUIREMENT.
00:13:35 >> YES. THANK YOU.
00:13:39 I CALLED FOR THIS HEARING BECAUSE THERE ARE REALLY TWO
00:13:43 ISSUES AT HAND. >> FIRST, WE'VE HAD A
00:13:44 SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF DOG BITES CITYWIDE
00:13:47 OVER THE PAST YEAR AND SECOND, WE HAVE NOT HAD A VICIOUS
00:13:51 AND DANGEROUS DOG HEARING WHICH IS THE PROCESS TO TO ADJUDICATE
00:13:55 DANGEROUS BITES. SINCE JULY OF 2025 AND WITHOUT
00:13:58 THESE HEARINGS THERE ARE REAL COSTS BOTH HUMAN AND CANINE.
00:14:05 >> MY OFFICE HAS HAS HEARD FROM DOG OWNERS ON BOTH SIDES OF
00:14:09 THESE HEARINGS WHO REALLY RELY ON THEM FOR FOR JUSTICE.
00:14:10 WE'VE HEARD FROM DOG OWNERS WHOSE DOGS WERE DEEMED VICIOUS
00:14:14 AFTER ONE INCIDENT. HAVE GONE THROUGH YEARLONG
00:14:17 PROCESSES TO TRAIN THEIR DOGS AND WITHOUT THESE HEARINGS THEY
00:14:20 CAN'T GET THEIR DOGS OFF THE LIST MEANING THEIR DOGS ARE
00:14:24 STILL UNNECESSARILY SUBJECT TO REALLY HARSH PENALTIES.
00:14:27 >> AND THEN WE'VE ALSO OBVIOUSLY HEARD FROM DOG OWNERS
00:14:29 WHOSE DOGS WERE TRAGICALLY KILLED BY VICIOUS DOGS AND THAT
00:14:32 PAIN'S JUST CONTINUING AS WE WAIT FOR JUSTICE THERE.
00:14:36 SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT TO MENTION THE DOGS BITES ON
00:14:39 HUMANS. >> SO LOOK, THERE'S A REAL COST
00:14:40 TO NOT HAVING THESE HEARINGS. >> IT'S A BIG DEAL.
00:14:44 WE NEED TO GET THESE HEARINGS BACK.
00:14:46 SO I WANT TO THANK THE MANY DEPARTMENTS THE DOG ADVOCATES
00:14:48 THE DOG OWNERS AND MORE WHO ARE IN THIS HEARING ROOM TO WORK
00:14:52 TOWARDS THIS SOLUTION. AT THE END OF THE DAY THIS IS
00:14:55 ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT DOG OWNERS ARE ACTING RESPONSIBLY.
00:14:59 THIS IS ABOUT OWNERS AND I WANT TO THANK ESPECIALLY SALLY
00:15:02 STEVENS AND DAVE EMANUEL FROM S.F. DOG WHO REALLY BROUGHT
00:15:06 THIS ISSUE TO MY ATTENTION AND I THINK BEFORE WELL LET'S
00:15:13 LET'S CALL OUR FIRST PRESENTER. >> I WANT TO ASK DIRECTOR PAUL
00:15:16 HENDERSON FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY HERE
00:15:23 TO START US OFF. >> THANK YOU.
00:15:24 BEFORE YOU START, SUPERVISOR MAHMUD, I WANT TO THANK YOU
00:15:30 CHURCH CHERYL FOR CALLING AND HOSTING THIS HEARING.
00:15:33 I'M A CO-SPONSOR OF THIS HEARING BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH I
00:15:35 HEAR FROM MY RESIDENTS ABOUT INCIDENTS WITH DOGS ESPECIALLY
00:15:41 IN THE TENDERLOIN. ACCORDING TO CAPTAIN SULLIVAN
00:15:42 AT TENDERLOIN STATION IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS OF 2025 OVER A
00:15:48 QUARTER OF ALL REPORTED DOG BITE INCIDENTS TOOK PLACE
00:15:52 IN THE TENDERLOIN. THE TENDERLOIN IS A
00:15:55 NEIGHBORHOOD OF FAMILIES AND A NEIGHBORHOOD OF CHILDREN.
00:15:59 AND DOG BEHAVIOR IS ONE OF THE MOST COMMON CONCERNS I HEAR
00:16:00 FROM PARENTS AT THE TENDERLOIN COMMUNITY SCHOOL.
00:16:06 AND ONE OF MY FIRST MONTHS IN OFFICE I VISITED A PARENT
00:16:10 TEACHER GROUP WITH THE TENDERLOIN COMMUNITY SCHOOL.
00:16:11 AND PARENTS CAME UP TO ME WITH PHOTOS OF EVMS SHELVES OR THEIR
00:16:19 CHILDREN HAVING BEEN BITTEN. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE ALSO
00:16:23 RAISED TO THE MAYOR WHEN THE FAMILIES CAME AND VISITED AS
00:16:26 WELL. >> AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT I
00:16:30 KNOW AS A RESULT OF THE COMMUNITY'S OUTREACH, THE
00:16:33 CITY'S ALREADY STARTED TO ACT. >> I WANT TO COMMEND CAPTAIN
00:16:37 MATT SULLIVAN IN TENDERLOIN STATION WHO STARTED AN
00:16:39 UNOFFICIAL GROUP OF OFFICERS KNOWN AS THE PAS PATROL TO LEAD
00:16:43 ON DOG SAFETY ISSUES IN THE TENDERLOIN.
00:16:46 I WANT TO THANK HIM AND S.F. PD FOR THEIR FOCUS ON THIS ISSUE.
00:16:50 >> WITH THAT CONTEXT WE NEED TO WORK WITH COMPASSION FOR DOGS
00:16:54 AND THEIR OWNERS WHO ARE OFTEN IN DIFFICULT LIFE SITUATIONS.
00:16:58 >> BUT THE CITY ALSO NEEDS TO LEAD WITH COMPETENCY
00:17:01 AND JUSTICE TO ENSURE THAT DOGS THAT POSE A SERIOUS THREAT TO
00:17:05 THE COMMUNITY FACE THE PROPER PENALTIES IN A TIMELY MANNER.
00:17:10 >> THAT IS WHY I WAS DISMAYED TO HEAR ABOUT THE LONG LAPSE
00:17:13 IN THE VICIOUS AND DANGEROUS DOGS WITH NO HEARINGS SINCE
00:17:16 JUNE 2025 AND SOME GAPS IN COVERAGE BEFORE THEM.
00:17:17 >> WE WOULDN'T LET OUR CIVIL OR CRIMINAL COURTS GO DARK FOR
00:17:20 NEARLY A YEAR. WE WOULDN'T STAND BY AND LEAVE
00:17:24 OTHER VICTIMS AND DEFENDANTS IN AN INDEFINITE LIMBO.
00:17:27 MY HOPE IS THAT FROM THIS HEARING WE HEAR FROM THE
00:17:28 DEPARTMENT OF POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY EXACTLY WHAT HAS
00:17:31 CAUSED THESE HEARINGS TO SHUT DOWN AND WE GET A COMMITMENT
00:17:35 FROM THE RELEVANT DEPARTMENTS TO ENSURE THAT THIS ELEMENT OF
00:17:39 OUR CITY'S JUSTICE SYSTEM IS REPAIRED AND THOSE INVOLVED GET
00:17:41 THE JUSTICE THAT THEY DESERVE. >> NOW IN AND OFF TO CHURCH
00:17:44 CHAIR CHERYL AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR CALLING US HERE.
00:17:48 >> VICE CHAIR MAHMOOD THANK YOU FOR YOUR CO-SPONSORSHIP ON
00:17:51 THIS. I KNOW THE TENDERLOIN.
00:17:52 IF WE LOOK NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD IT IS THE
00:17:55 NEIGHBORHOOD MOST EFFECTIVE AFFECTED BY THIS ISSUE.
00:17:56 SO I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. DIRECTOR HENDERSON FROM THE
00:17:59 DEPARTMENT OF POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY, THANK YOU VERY
00:18:02 MUCH FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING.
00:18:03 >> REALLY APPRECIATE IT. OF COURSE.
00:18:04 >> THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A STATEMENT HERE THAT
00:18:09 I'LL READ JUST SUMMARIZING YOU HAD ASKED ME SOME OF THESE
00:18:13 QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE AND I THINK THIS GIVES YOU THE
00:18:16 OVERVIEW BOTH OF HOW WE GOT HERE AND WHAT THE CURRENT
00:18:17 SITUATION IS. SO I'LL JUST JUMP IN FROM
00:18:20 THERE. SO IN 2018 FOLLOWING MAJOR
00:18:24 ISSUES OF INCONSISTENCY IDENTIFIED IN THE CIVIL GRAND
00:18:31 JURY REPORT WITH VICIOUS AND DANGEROUS DOG ADJUDICATION
00:18:35 PROCESS, THE CITY REQUESTED THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF POLICE
00:18:39 ACCOUNTABILITY DPA PROVIDE A HEARING OFFICER TO ASSIST
00:18:43 INITIAL FUNDING WAS ALLOCATED THROUGH INTERDEPARTMENTAL WORK
00:18:47 ORDER WITH THE POLICE COMMISSION SFPD IN THE AMOUNT
00:18:53 OF $100,000 BUT WITH NO WRITTEN MOU OR DIRECTIVES.
00:18:57 AND WHILE THIS FUNDING ALLOWED US TO BUILD FOR SOME OF THE
00:19:00 WORK REFORM IT DID NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THE ADDITIONAL STAFFING
00:19:05 OR PROJECTS RELATED TO THE WORK FULFILLED THE RESPONSIBILITY
00:19:09 IN GOOD FAITH DESPITE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WAS NOT
00:19:12 INTENDED TO BE A PERMANENT SOLUTION OVER TIME THE
00:19:16 OBLIGATION AND INCREASINGLY DIVERTED STAFF FROM THEIR CORE
00:19:21 OVERSIGHT FUNCTIONS AS STAFFING LEVELS CONTINUE TO DECLINE DUE
00:19:25 TO BUDGET CUTS AND ATTRITION. SUSTAINING THIS ADDITIONAL
00:19:29 WORKLOAD BECAME INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT IN 2023 AND IN 2024
00:19:35 DPA REQUESTED SUPPORT FOR TWO POSITIONS FOR THE PROGRAM AN
00:19:42 ATTORNEY TO DO THE HEARINGS AND A PARALEGAL AT DPA.
00:19:47 WE DID NOT RECEIVE THESE POSITIONS IN 2025 DPA WAS
00:19:53 DIRECTED TO ELIMINATE AN ATTORNEY POSITION IN ADDITION
00:19:57 TO AN INVESTIGATOR AND A SENIOR INVESTIGATOR FURTHER REDUCING
00:20:01 OUR CAPACITY. AT THAT TIME IT BECAME CLEAR
00:20:04 THAT CONTINUING TO SUPPORT THE HEARINGS WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY
00:20:08 IMPAIR DPS ABILITY TO FULFILL ITS CORE OVERSIGHT
00:20:12 RESPONSIBILITIES. SO SINCE 20 2021 DPA HAS
00:20:15 EXPERIENCED A 40% REDUCTION IN ITS STAFFING IN THE PAST
00:20:19 YEAR ALONE WE'VE LOST FOUR POSITIONS AN ATTORNEY POSITION
00:20:23 AND A SENIOR INVESTIGATOR POSITION ONE VACANT
00:20:26 INVESTIGATOR POSITION AND A SENIOR ANALYST.
00:20:30 SO DUE TO THESE STAFFING REDUCTIONS AND LIMITED
00:20:34 RESOURCES, DPA MADE THE DIFFICULT DECISION TO
00:20:35 DISCONTINUE WHICH ROLE WITH THE HEARINGS WE PROVIDED FOUR
00:20:41 MONTHS NOTICE AT THAT TIME TO ALL OF THE RELEVANT PARTIES.
00:20:45 ON TOP OF THE PREVIOUS NOTICES THROUGHOUT THE EARLIER YEARS
00:20:49 INDICATING THE DISPARITIES AND THE DIFFICULTIES RELATED TO
00:20:53 BUDGET AND FUNDING, THOSE NOTICES WENT OUT TO EDM, KCC,
00:20:57 S.F. PD, THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE AND THE
00:21:02 MAYOR'S BUDGET OFFICE INFORMING THEM THAT DPA WOULD NO LONGER
00:21:05 BE ABLE TO SUPPORT VED BEGINNING AT THE NEW FISCAL
00:21:09 YEAR. THOSE NOTICES
00:21:12 AND CORRESPONDENCES HAVE ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED TO THIS
00:21:16 COMMITTEE. THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT
00:21:17 BUT THAT'S HOW WE GOT HERE AND THAT'S THE WORK THAT HAD
00:21:21 BEEN DONE. SO FAR IN TERMS OF HOW DPA CAME
00:21:24 TO PLAY A ROLE IN THE PROJECT. >> GREAT DIRECTOR HENDERSON I
00:21:29 REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GIVING THAT CONTEXT.
00:21:32 I THINK THE WAY THAT YOU SUMMARIZED THINGS VERY MUCH
00:21:36 ALIGNS WITH YOU KNOW WHAT I HOPE TO LEARN FROM THIS HEARING
00:21:40 . WHAT WAS THE PROCESS BEFORE?
00:21:41 HOW DID WE GET HERE AND THEN REALLY HOW DO WE COME WITH A
00:21:45 LONG TERM SUSTAINABLE SOLUTION? SO I MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS
00:21:48 FOR YOU BUT I THINK THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE MAYOR'S
00:21:49 OFFICE HERE STEVEN BETTS, POLICY CHIEF FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
00:21:53 I'D LIKE TO JUST QUICKLY CALL I KNOW THERE'S SOME TIME
00:21:56 CONSTRAINTS I BELIEVE YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME UPDATES ON CURRENT
00:22:00 PROGRESS TOWARDS AN IMMEDIATE TERM, MAYBE NOT A LONG TERM.
00:22:03 WE'LL GET THAT LATER BUT IMMEDIATE TERM SOLUTIONS ARE
00:22:07 JUST LOVE TO UNDERSTAND AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
00:22:08 >> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING.
00:22:09 SUPERVISOR AS A MEMBER AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
00:22:11 MY NAME IS STEVEN BETTS. I AM THE CHIEF OF PUBLIC SAFETY
00:22:15 FOR THE MAYOR'S OFFICE SO I'M HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE DO
00:22:18 HAVE A MEDIUM TO LONG TERM SOLUTION THAT WILL GO LIVE
00:22:23 IN JULY. THE AS DR. HENDERSON MENTIONED,
00:22:26 THE KIND OF THAT WHAT MADE THIS A DIFFICULT PROBLEM TO SOLVE IS
00:22:32 THERE'S TWO KIND OF COMPONENTS. THERE'S THE BUDGET COMPONENT
00:22:33 AND THEN THERE'S A CONFLICT ISSUE WHEN THE WHEN WE GET INTO
00:22:36 THE HOW THE DOG HEARINGS ARE RUN, THERE'S KIND OF TWO LARGE
00:22:41 COMPONENTS. THERE'S THE HEARING OFFICER WHO
00:22:43 DOES THE JUDICIAL WHO THEN MAKES THE DECISIONS AND THEN
00:22:45 THERE IS THE KIND OF CLERICAL WORK THE KIND OF COURT CLERK
00:22:48 WORK WHO PUTS OUT THE NOTICES, WHO TRACKS THE EVIDENCE, WHO
00:22:51 CALLS THE CASES THAT KIND OF THING.
00:22:52 SO TO TRY TO SOLVE THIS AND IN A BUDGET IN A BUDGET EFFICIENT
00:22:56 WAY WHERE WE'VE LANDED THE PLANE IS THAT THE POLICE
00:22:59 DEPARTMENT, THEIR STAFF IN THEIR POLICE COMMISSION UNIT
00:23:02 BECAUSE THEY'RE TRAINED ALREADY IN PUBLISHING NOTICES, PUTTING
00:23:07 OUT EVIDENCE, TRACKING KIND OF JUDICIAL OR CLERICAL WORK LIKE
00:23:09 THIS THEY WILL ASSUME THE ADMINISTRATIVE ROLE.
00:23:12 SO THESE ARE EMPLOYEES THAT ALREADY EXIST AND THEY WILL
00:23:15 MANAGE THAT ASPECT OF THE DOG HEARINGS.
00:23:16 WE WE'VE SEPARATELY WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING A
00:23:19 PERSON I CAN'T SHARE WHO THAT PERSON IS YET BUT WE'RE HIRING
00:23:23 A PERSON WHO WILL BE ABLE TO SERVE AS THE HEARING OFFICER.
00:23:27 WE THINK THAT PERSON CAN HOLD SEVERAL HEARINGS A WEEK 3 OR 3
00:23:31 OR SO A WEEK AND THERE IS A FUND THAT I THINK WAS MENTIONED
00:23:35 IN THE EARLIER PRESENTATION ABOUT $100,000 OR SO THAT THIS
00:23:38 CAN BE BILLED AGAINST. SO WE'LL SAVE MONEY ON THE
00:23:41 CLERICAL SIDE BY HAVING EXISTING EMPLOYEES DO THAT
00:23:44 AND THEN THE HEARING OFFICER WILL BE SOMEONE WHO CAN BILL
00:23:48 AGAINST IT AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO KIND OF JUST FISCALLY SUSTAIN
00:23:50 THAT SO THIS PERSON MAY CHANGE OVER TIME BUT I THINK THAT CORE
00:23:53 MODEL IS A WAY TO GO FORWARD AND IT ALSO SOLVES THE THE
00:24:00 CONFLICT ISSUE BECAUSE WHERE TO PUT THIS HEARING OFFICER I
00:24:01 THINK IS HISTORICALLY BEEN AN ISSUE.
00:24:05 DIRECTOR HENDERSON MENTIONED I THINK A GRAND JURY REPORT YOU
00:24:08 CAN'T PUT THAT PERSON IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
00:24:09 YOU CAN'T PUT THAT PERSON IN ASK YOU CAN'T BUT THAT SO
00:24:13 THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT AT WHERE IT ENDED UP A DPA THIS
00:24:15 RESOLVES THIS ISSUE SO THIS TOOK LONGER TO SOLVE THAN I HAD
00:24:17 WANTED IT TO. WE HAD A BUNCH OF FITS
00:24:20 AND STARTS WITH OTHER SOLUTIONS THAT DID NOT PAN OUT BUT I
00:24:24 THINK WE ARE AT A PLACE NOW WITH IN CONFLICT SAY WE HAVE A
00:24:27 SOLUTION AND IT WILL VERY SHORTLY BE IN PLACE.
00:24:31 >> THANK YOU SO THAT I'M CLEAR WHERE LIKE FROM A FROM A BUDGET
00:24:38 CIVIL SERVICE YOU KNOW WHERE IS THIS PERSON GOING TO SIT LIKE
00:24:42 I'M GOING TO HAVE THAT PERSON SIT IN DPA SO THE FUND WILL GO
00:24:46 THROUGH THEM SO THEY'LL BE A PROGRAM A PROP F BRING BACK
00:24:50 PERSON AND IN DPA GOT SO DPA WILL GET A NEW FTE OR PART TIME
00:24:57 EMPLOYEE OR YEAH AND IN A BUDGET NEUTRAL WAY THAT SENSE
00:25:01 THEY'LL CARRY IT BUT THERE'S A FUND THAT THEY THIS PERSON WILL
00:25:02 BUILD AGAINST THAT WILL GO THROUGH DPA.
00:25:05 >> OKAY GREAT AND JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THE FUND AND I
00:25:08 APOLOGIZE HERE IS THAT MONEY IS AT A ONE TIME MONEY IS THAT
00:25:14 COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND LIKE HOW DO WE BELIEVE THAT
00:25:16 MONEY IS IN THE GENERAL FUND? I BELIEVE THAT MONEY SITS
00:25:18 IN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET AND WE CAN WORK ORDER IT
00:25:21 OVER TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS WHERE THE MONEY SITS.
00:25:22 BUT IS GENERAL FUND MONEY THAT GOES TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
00:25:25 >> GOT IT. SO THIS ISN'T A ONE TIME SHORT
00:25:27 TERM THING THAT'S GOING TO RUN OUT OF CASH IN A COUPLE
00:25:30 SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE COMES UP EVERY YEAR.
00:25:34 >> THIS OBVIOUSLY TOOK LONGER THAN EVERYBODY WANTED AND YOU
00:25:35 KNOWLEDGE THAT AND I APPRECIATE IT IT SOUNDS LIKE ONE PERSON
00:25:40 GREAT I'M PROBABLY NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY HIT BY A BUS PROTOCOL
00:25:44 BUT WHAT ARE WE THINKING ABOUT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF ONE PERSON
00:25:51 REASONABLY DECIDES TO RETIRE OR WHATEVER, WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED
00:25:54 FROM THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS THAT WE WOULD TAKE GOING
00:25:58 FORWARD TO MAKE IT EASIER TO TO FILL THIS ROLE IF THE PERSON
00:26:02 DECIDES TO MOVE ON TO GREENER PASTURES?
00:26:03 >> TWO THINGS ONE ONE THING WE LEARNED IS OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO
00:26:06 BE FULL FOR THINKING ABOUT WHEN THERE'S A BIG CHANGE LIKE THIS.
00:26:10 THIS IS A BIG SYSTEMIC CHANGE. SO YOU KNOW, THERE WAS THIS
00:26:12 PROCESS THAT'S OUT THERE WHAT I THINK WILL MAKE THIS DIFFERENT
00:26:14 THAN THE PAST IS IF SOMEONE IF THIS PERSON DECIDES TO LEAVE WE
00:26:17 HAVE THE CORE SYSTEM ALREADY SET UP SO WE CAN HIRE SOMEONE
00:26:21 NEW TO DO IT. IT IS NOT WHO'S GOING TO DO THE
00:26:24 ADMIN PART. HOW DOES THE MONEY WORK?
00:26:25 HOW DOES YOU KNOW THAT THAT WHOLE IS WHERE IS IT GOING TO
00:26:28 SIT? THOSE ARE ALL SOLVED NOW WOULD
00:26:29 BE JUST A PERSONNEL HIRING SO WE'LL WORK WITH THIS PERSON IF
00:26:33 HE OR SHE DECIDES TO LEAVE OR WHEN HE OR SHE DECIDES TO LEAVE
00:26:37 WE'LL HAVE A SUCCESSION PLAN AND BE ABLE TO PLUG SOMEONE NEW
00:26:38 IN WHO HAS THAT. >> THERE'S ALSO THE ABILITY TO
00:26:41 HIRE TO HAVE INTERIM KIND OF AD HOC HEARING OFFICERS WITH
00:26:45 PEOPLE WHO ALREADY EXIST IN THE CITY.
00:26:48 WE HAVE DONE THAT ON A VERY SHORT TERM BASIS WITH A COUPLE
00:26:49 OF CASES OR I THINK 1 OR 2 CASES.
00:26:51 BUT THERE'S THERE'S AN EMERGENCY VALVE AS WELL.
00:26:55 YOU THANK YOU VICE CHAIR MAHMOOD ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR.
00:27:02 BETTS BEFORE OKAY GREAT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
00:27:05 >> I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.
00:27:09 DIRECTOR HENDERSON, DO YOU MIND IF I ASKED YOU A COUPLE OF
00:27:13 QUESTIONS FOLLOWING UP SO I FIRST OF ALL JUST THANK YOU.
00:27:20 >> I THINK YOU OUTLINED IT REALLY WELL.
00:27:23 THANK YOU. I'M REALLY CURIOUS.
00:27:24 YOU KNOW, YOU CLEARLY TOOK ON A RESPONSIBILITY WITHOUT FUNDING
00:27:27 KIND OF WITHOUT INFRASTRUCTURE .
00:27:30 IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WERE YOU RAISED FLAGS AND MAYBE THOSE
00:27:34 FLAGS WEREN'T SEEN OR ANSWERED OR WHATEVER.
00:27:38 >> BUT GOING FORWARD NOW THAT YOU IT SEEMS LIKE ARE YOU IT
00:27:41 SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE RELET WELL ASSUMING THAT YOU WERE
00:27:43 RELATIVELY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS NEAR TERM SOLUTION, HOW DO
00:27:45 WE AVOID THE LONGER TERM GAPS IN THIS FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE
00:27:50 POINT OF VIEW? HOW DO WE REALLY LOCK IN THAT
00:27:54 ON PAPER IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WASN'T ANYTHING WRITTEN ON
00:27:57 PAPER NO MOU HOW DO WE LOCK THIS IN TO MAKE SURE LIKE THIS
00:27:58 IS THE PLAN GOING FORWARD? >> WE HAVE A PLAN.
00:28:01 WE'RE GOING TO STICK TO THE PLAN.
00:28:02 TWO THINGS. SO ONE THE THERE WAS A LOT THAT
00:28:05 GOT PUT ON PAPER SO IN MY IN OUR MEMOS THAT WERE
00:28:09 PRESENTED TO THE AUDIENCE INVOLVED AT THE TABLE, THERE'S
00:28:13 A WHOLE LIST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT DPA DID AND RESOLVING
00:28:20 AND ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS THAT HAD BEEN RAISED AND THE
00:28:22 CIVIL GRAND JURY. I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
00:28:24 THOSE CONCERNS WERE RESOLVED ALREADY THE ISSUE NOW IS MOVING
00:28:28 FORWARD HOW ARE THOSE THINGS GOING TO GET BAKED INTO WHAT
00:28:29 GETS ROLLED OUT AND PRESENTED MOVING FORWARD TO MAKE SURE
00:28:32 THAT THOSE SAME THINGS TAKE PLACE?
00:28:36 BUT THAT IS PROBABLY A QUESTION THAT IS BETTER DIRECTED WITH
00:28:40 THE MAYOR'S OFFICE BECAUSE IT WON'T BE DPA DOING THAT OR
00:28:44 IN CONTROL OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS THEY'RE HOLDING OR WHAT
00:28:51 THEY'RE SAYING NOW IS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HOLD THEIR
00:28:52 POSITION IN DPA BUT IT WON'T BE MANAGED BY DPA.
00:28:55 I PRESUME THE FIXES WILL BE BAKED INTO THE OPERATIONS BUT
00:29:02 IT WON'T BE US PER SE. WE ARE JUST THE HOLDER TO AVOID
00:29:09 THE CONFLICTS FROM FROM THE GRAND JURIES INDICATION.
00:29:13 >> SO WHO WHO IS THIS NEW HEARINGS OFFICER GOING TO
00:29:18 REPORT TO I GUESS AGAIN THAT IS PROBABLY OKAY THAT'S FAIR
00:29:27 QUESTION FOR SOMEBODY ELSE. >> YEAH THAT I'M NOT SURE WHAT
00:29:30 THE INTENTION WAS THERE OKAY BUT TYPICALLY THAT PERSON KIND
00:29:38 OF JUST FLOATS WHEN DPA WAS MANAGING THAT WE TRAINED ANY
00:29:46 NUMBER OF PEOPLE ALMOST ALL OF MY LEGAL STAFF WAS TRAINED
00:29:50 IN THE POSITION IN ADDITION TO ME AND JUST FOR CLARITY
00:29:53 PURPOSES I WAS THE HEARING OFFICER BEFORE IT CAME TO DPA
00:29:57 IN THE FIRST PLACE IN ALAMEDA FOR THESE CASES SO I WAS OH HOW
00:30:01 ABOUT THAT? SO I HAD DONE THE TRAINING,
00:30:04 DONE THE HEARING OFFICER ROLE AND ALSO PARTICIPATED IN THE
00:30:08 HEARING OFFICER TRAINING STUFF FOR SAN FRANCISCO AS WELL.
00:30:12 >> WHAT DOES THAT THAT TRAINING LOOK LIKE FOR THE VIDEO HEARING
00:30:16 OFFICER? IS THERE A CERTIFICATION?
00:30:17 IS THERE SPECIFIC DOG BEHAVIORAL TRAINING?
00:30:21 >> THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION AND HCC IS HERE AND THEY ARE
00:30:25 PROBABLY BETTER THEY CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ACTUAL YOU
00:30:28 WOULD JUST BE GETTING MY SUMMARIES OF IT WHICH WAS ON
00:30:29 DOG BEHAVIORS AND UNDERSTANDING HOW TO EVALUATE THE LEGAL TERMS
00:30:36 ASSOCIATED WITH THE SEVERITY OF BEHAVIOR THAT ESCALATES
00:30:42 AND THAT IS THEY CAN ARTICULATE IT MUCH BETTER THAN I CAN AS TO
00:30:47 WHAT THAT TRAINING IS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE FOLKS
00:30:48 THAT ARE TRAINED TO DO THE HEARING OFFICER STUFF.
00:30:51 >> RIGHT? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE DPP'S ROLE
00:30:54 IN THE FUTURE GOING FORWARD IS MORE ON ADMINISTRATIVE,
00:30:58 ADMINISTRATIVE ON PAPER. AND WHEN YOU SAY
00:30:59 ADMINISTRATIVE, CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY WHAT IS THAT JUST LIKE
00:31:02 A LINE ON A PIECE FINANCIAL CORRECTION I THINK THEY WERE
00:31:06 LOOKING AS IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A PLACE
00:31:07 TO HOLD BOARD SPACE FOR THE POSITIONS.
00:31:11 THAT'S NOT IN CONFLICT EITHER WITH SEC AND OR WITH THE POLICE
00:31:17 DEPARTMENT. THAT SAID, WE HAVE BEEN WILLING
00:31:21 TO AND EAGER TO PARTICIPATE IN WHATEVER ROLE WE CAN PLAY TO
00:31:25 HELP WITH TRAINING TO SHARE RESOURCES ALL OF THE THINGS THE
00:31:29 MANUAL THAT WE CREATED IN RESPONSE TO THE CIVIL GRAND
00:31:33 JURY SO THAT FOLKS COULD FOLLOW AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ROLES
00:31:36 ARE. ALL OF THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN
00:31:37 PROVIDED AND I THINK A LOT OF THOSE DOCUMENTS WE PRESENTED AS
00:31:40 WELL. >> EXCELLENT.
00:31:41 THANK YOU. DIRECTOR HENDERSON.
00:31:44 >> I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
00:31:45 VICE CHAIR MAHMOOD ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
00:31:47 >> QUESTION SEC. OKAY, GREAT.
00:31:48 THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
00:31:51 >> I'D LOVE TO MOVE TO OUR NEXT PRESENTER, OFFICER GREG
00:31:55 SUTHERLAND WHO WORKS AS A DOG COURT HEARING INVESTIGATING
00:31:56 OFFICER OFFICER OFFICER SUTHERLAND THANK YOU VERY MUCH
00:32:00 FOR BEING HERE TODAY. >> REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
00:32:04 MY PLEASURE. GOOD MORNING.
00:32:11 >> I'M OFFICER GREG. SO LONG TERM RISK OF POLICE
00:32:12 DEPARTMENT'S VICIOUS DANGEROUS DOG OFFICER I'M THE ONE WHO
00:32:15 INVESTIGATES ALL OF THE AGGRESSIVE DOG INCIDENTS
00:32:19 REVIEWS THE BITE REPORTS, COORDINATES WITH ANIMAL CARE
00:32:23 AND CONTROL REGARDING THE DOGS I WILL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON
00:32:29 THE DISPOSITION OF WHETHER I SHOULD THINK THE DOG SHOULD BE
00:32:34 CONSIDERED VICIOUS AND OR DANGEROUS TO THE HEARING
00:32:37 OFFICER AT THE HEARINGS NOT BEFOREHAND AND MYSELF AND I'VE
00:32:44 GOT TWO GENTLEMEN THAT HELP ME OUT RIGHT NOW WHO ARE RETIRED
00:32:49 POLICE OFFICERS THEY'RE NINE 60S THEY KEEP MY HEAD ABOVE
00:32:51 WATER WITH THE CASELOAD. THEY HELP ME PREPARE MY CASES
00:32:55 FOR THE HEARINGS. THE MY UNIT OR MY MYSELF, MY
00:33:05 TWO OFFICER MY TWO ASSISTANTS WERE HOUSED OUT OF GENERAL WORK
00:33:08 . >> IT'S AN INVESTIGATIVE UNIT
00:33:09 IN THE SAN FRANCISCO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WE'RE THE ONES
00:33:12 THAT HANDLE EVERYTHING OUT OF THEIR THE INVESTIGATIONS
00:33:16 GENERALLY INCLUDE THE INCIDENT REPORTS VICTIM VICTIM WITNESS
00:33:23 INTERVIEWS WE WE CONTACT AND INTERVIEW THE VICTIMS
00:33:27 AND WITNESSES REVIEW THE BITE HISTORY I HAVE ACCESS TO SAN
00:33:31 FRANCISCO ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROLS CHAMELEON DATABASE
00:33:35 FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM IT'S BASICALLY A WAY TO EVERY ANIMAL
00:33:39 THAT EVERY DOG SHOULD BE MOST ANIMALS SHOULD BE REGISTERED
00:33:44 IN SAN FRANCISCO. THEY'RE REGISTERED WITH SFA, CC
00:33:51 AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE A FOR LACK OF A BETTER PHRASE IT'S A
00:33:52 POLICE RECORD FOR THE DOGS. YOUR DOG BITES, IT GOES INTO IT
00:33:55 GETS ENTERED INTO THEIR SYSTEM AND I ACCESS THAT WE GO OVER
00:33:59 EVERY IS INVOLVED IN YOUR BASIC INVESTIGATION PHOTOS, WITNESSES
00:34:06 VIDEO ALL THE STUFF WE ADD AND THEN WE ADD THAT INTO OUR
00:34:10 CASELOAD OR INTO THE CASE CASES .
00:34:19 UH, LET'S SEE WE ADHERE TO THE HEALTH CODE FOR THE HEARINGS
00:34:26 AND THE REGISTRATION THE VARIANCE OF BEHAVIORAL
00:34:27 TRAINING, THE CONTAINMENT OF MUZZLING CONDITIONS AND OTHER
00:34:31 RESTRICTIONS AUTHORIZED BY LAW .
00:34:34 WE ALSO I DEAL WITH THAT WITH THE DOG OWNERS AS WELL.
00:34:40 MY ROLE IN THE HEARING IS THAT I PREVENT MYSELF AND MY TWO
00:34:46 COMPATRIOTS PREPARE THE INVESTIGATIVE FILE THAT'S
00:34:47 PRESENTED TO THE HEARING OFFICER OR TO THE LEGAL CLERK
00:34:53 AND THEN THAT IS REVIEWED BY THE HEARING OFFICER DURING THE
00:34:57 HEARING WE PRESENT THE EVIDENCE AND WE OFFER OUR RECORD.
00:34:58 I OFFER MY RECOMMENDATION. >> I ALSO COORDINATE WITH THE
00:35:01 WITNESSES AND I MAINTAIN THE RECORDS FOR ANY AUDIO
00:35:08 RECORDINGS ONCE THE HEARING IS CONCLUDED.
00:35:12 >> UM OTHER AGENCIES RULES THE SEC PROVIDES ANIMAL BEHAVIOR
00:35:16 ASSESSMENT CUSTODY RECORDS AND INPUT ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY
00:35:20 RISK AND THE HEARING OFFICER OBVIOUSLY PRESIDES OVER THE
00:35:21 HEARINGS AND ISSUES THEIR DETERMINATIONS UM CURRENTLY AS
00:35:31 OF LAST YEAR I HAD 1027 BITES FORD IT'S MY OFFICE OF WHICH WE
00:35:37 TOOK ACTION ON A NUMBER OF THOSE CASES.
00:35:41 SO FAR THIS YEAR WE'VE HAD 445 BITES REPORTED TO ME AS OF THIS
00:35:45 MORNING AND I HAVE 66 CASES READY FOR A HEARING AND MY ME
00:35:52 AND MY TEAM ARE WORKING ON APPROXIMATELY 15 CASES AT THIS
00:35:56 TIME RIGHT NOW. >> SORRY.
00:35:57 CAN YOU CAN YOU GO BACK THERE? >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I
00:36:00 UNDERSTAND YOU. YOU HAVE 66 CASES READY FOR A
00:36:06 HEARING OUT OF LET'S CALL IT A THOUSAND BITES THAT HAVE
00:36:10 HAPPENED SINCE JULY OF 2025. CORRECT?
00:36:12 >> LIKE VAGUELY A THOUSAND? YES.
00:36:16 AND AND YOU SAID YOU'RE WORKING ON 15 NEW CASES RIGHT NOW.
00:36:20 THAT'S LIKE YOU'RE PREPARING THEM TO GET IN THERE.
00:36:21 CORRECT. YOU SIR, PRIOR TO JULY OF 2025,
00:36:26 HOW MANY HOW WOULD THAT KIND OF 66 AND 15 NUMBER HAVE HAVE
00:36:30 DIFFERENTIATED OUR CASELOAD WAS STARTING TO GO UP UM, I STARTED
00:36:39 BASICALLY KEEPING RECORDS OF HOW MANY BITES I RECEIVED IN MY
00:36:44 EMAIL BY JUST A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS I RECEIVED CASE LOADS BUT
00:36:51 FOUR IN THE FIRST 20 2024 THERE WAS ABOUT I STARTED IN JULY
00:36:55 THERE WAS ABOUT ALMOST 500 BITES REPORTED TO ME AND WE SAW
00:37:01 IN WE WERE PRESENTING ANYWHERE BETWEEN 1 AND 3 CASES PER WEEK
00:37:05 FOR HEARING AND WE WOULD HEAR 1 TO 3 CASES PER WEEK AND OVER
00:37:11 THE COURSE OF 2025 OUR CASELOAD STARTED GOING UP YOU KNOW, 1 TO
00:37:15 3 CASES PER WEEK TO 2 TO 3 CASES PER WEEK.
00:37:18 >> IT'S ALSO BASED ON TRYING TO FIND PERSONS.
00:37:22 SO SOME OF OUR PERSONS ARE UNHOUSED AND SO I HAVE TO GO
00:37:25 OUT THERE AND TRY AND FIND AND GIVE THE PACKET WHICH THE
00:37:30 LEGAL CLERK WOULD ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER FOR US AND I'D GO OUT
00:37:34 AND TRY AND FIND THIS PERSON SOMETIMES I WAS SUCCESSFUL,
00:37:38 SOMETIMES I WASN'T. SOMETIMES THEY SHOW UP TO THE
00:37:39 HEARING, SOMETIMES THEY WOULDN'T.
00:37:41 >> SO SO SINCE JULY OF 2025 WITHOUT A HEARING OFFICER WHERE
00:37:47 DO THE CASES GO? >> WHAT'S HAPPENING?
00:37:48 I HAVE QUITE LITERALLY ON MY DESK I HAVE A FILE HOLDER
00:37:51 AND IT'S GOT 66 CASES ALL SITTING THERE WAITING TO BE
00:37:57 TURNED IN. >> OKAY.
00:38:01 HOW DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE US TO
00:38:06 DIG OUT OF THIS HOLE? YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS HAPPENED
00:38:09 LAST TIME WE STOPPED HEARING CASES IN JUNE WE GOT BACK INTO
00:38:13 HEARING CASES IN NOVEMBER. SO WHEN WAS THAT LAST?
00:38:17 IT WAS 2024, 2025 WE STARTED LOOKING STOP HEARING CASES FOR
00:38:22 A BRIEF PERIOD OF TIME. >> THERE WAS ANOTHER FISCAL
00:38:24 ARGUMENT. YEAH.
00:38:26 AND WE ENDED UP DOING TWO HEARINGS A WEEK UNTIL WE KIND
00:38:30 OF CAUGHT UP. WE WERE PROBABLY ABOUT MAYBE
00:38:33 HALF HALF THE DISTANCE SO WE'VE GOT ALMOST DOUBLE THE CASELOAD.
00:38:38 IT TOOK US A LITTLE WHILE TO GET BACK UP TO GOT RUNNING
00:38:41 SPEED BUT WE GOT THERE GREAT. >> THANKS.
00:38:45 >> SORRY I REALIZE I'VE INTERRUPTED YOUR PRESENTATION
00:38:46 HERE. IT'S QUITE ALL RIGHT.
00:38:49 NO, BY ALL MEANS TOUCH ON OKAY .
00:38:52 >> KEEP GOING, PLEASE. ACTUALLY, THAT'S ALL I HAD
00:38:53 DONE. I'VE GOT I HAVE ANOTHER
00:38:56 QUESTION FOR YOU. I'M CURIOUS HOW HOW DID YOU GET
00:38:59 INTO THIS? >> WHAT WAS YOUR YOUR YOU HAVE
00:39:00 A DOG BACKGROUND DOG OWNER? >> I SOMEWHAT FELL INTO THIS
00:39:03 JOB TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I WAS PATROL ADMISSION STATION
00:39:07 AND THE PREVIOUS DOG BITE OFFICER OR KIDS WENT TO SCHOOL
00:39:15 TOGETHER SO HE WAS I WAS GIVING HIM SOME GRIEF ABOUT THE JOB
00:39:18 ONE DAY AND HE SAID WELL I'M GETTING OUT OF THE JOB.
00:39:20 DO YOU WANT IT? I SAID I DON'T KNOW, DO I?
00:39:23 AND HE SAID TELL THE CHIEF NO. SO HE'D ALREADY PUT MY NAME
00:39:26 IN WITH THE CHIEF. >> I GOT THE JOB.
00:39:29 WHEN I RECEIVED THE JOB I WENT TO INVESTIGATE.
00:39:33 >> OF COURSE I LEARNED THE TRADE OF AN INVESTIGATION OR
00:39:37 THE FOLLOW UP OF BUILDING CASES OTHER THAN JUST THE PATROL
00:39:41 TAKING A REPORT, SUBMITTING THE REPORT I WENT ON TO INVESTIGATE
00:39:44 OF COURSE AND SINCE I WORK WITH GENERAL WORK IT IS A
00:39:48 CONGLOMERATE OF SERGEANTS WHO INVESTIGATE THE GENERAL CRIMES
00:39:52 IN CERTAIN CISCO AND I'VE GOT PROBABLY ABOUT 10 OR 15
00:39:55 SERGEANTS WHO ALSO INVESTIGATE THAT I CAN BOUNCE IDEAS OFF OF
00:40:00 WHEN I HAVE A PROBLEM I GO RIGHT TO THEM AND THEY'VE BEEN
00:40:03 ABLE TO HELP ME OUT AND MENTOR ME THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS WHEN
00:40:07 I NEED IT. >> DID YOU RECEIVE ANY DOG
00:40:10 SPECIFIC TRAINING? >> NO.
00:40:11 THE THING IS IS THAT WHAT I HAVE?
00:40:15 I DON'T I HAVEN'T DOGS ALL MY LIFE.
00:40:16 NO, I HAVE NOT GONE TO ANY LIKE DOG BEHAVIORIST COURSES.
00:40:19 >> OKAY. I FEEL THAT PERSONALLY I'M THE
00:40:22 ONE THAT I'M I'M GATHERING ALL THE INFORMATION AND I'M PUTTING
00:40:25 THE CASE TOGETHER AND BASED ON A DOG'S BITE HISTORY THE WAY IT
00:40:30 BEHAVES ARE BASED ON LIKE THERE'S A ANIMAL CONTROL TO
00:40:36 TEST THIS BETTER THAN I CAN THERE'S A A BITE RULE OF LIKE
00:40:40 SIX OR 6 OR 7 DIFFERENT WAYS A DOG CAN BITE AND HOW BAD IF I
00:40:44 CAN BE ALL REFER BACK TO THAT. >> BUT AT THE END OF THE END OF
00:40:47 THE DAY I LOOK AT THE CASE AND I PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND I
00:40:52 SUBMIT IT TO THE HEARING OFFICER AND WHEN THE HEARING
00:40:54 OFFICER ASKED MY OPINION BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT I'VE LOOKED
00:40:58 AT AND THE CONDITIONS WHERE THE DOG IS AND AND HOW THE BITE
00:41:02 OCCURRED, I MAKE I GIVE MY OPINION MY OPINION IS JUST MY
00:41:06 OPINION OF WHETHER THE DOG SHOULD BE CONSIDERED VICIOUS OR
00:41:09 DANGEROUS OR ABSOLUTE WORST CASE SCENARIO EUTHANIZE
00:41:13 HUMANELY AND THAT'S VERY EXTREMELY RARE THAT I'VE EVER
00:41:17 OFFERED THAT OPINION. >> UM BUT I DON'T YOU KNOW IF I
00:41:21 GOT SENT TO SOME DOG TRAINING CLASSES I'D HAPPILY ACCEPT
00:41:25 THEM. >> YEAH.
00:41:25 ALL RIGHT, GREAT. THANK YOU.
00:41:27 >> SUPERVISOR VICE CHAIR MAHMOOD ANY QUESTIONS?
00:41:32 >> YEAH. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE
00:41:35 AND I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND DATA.
00:41:40 HOW OF THE DOGS THAT YOU OFTEN SEE GET TO THESE HEARINGS?
00:41:44 >> HOW MANY OF THEM ARE REPEAT OFFENDERS THE SAME DOG COMING
00:41:48 SEPTEMBER APPROX SIMILARLY 2,030%.
00:41:52 OKAY SO UM YEAH 20% PROBABLY ISN'T LIKE THERE'S NO ISN'T
00:41:59 THAT DO YOU SEE ANY CHANGES SHOULD BE MADE TO ACCOUNT FOR
00:42:03 THAT CLEARLY I MEAN THE PROCESS ISN'T WORKING TO GET THEM OFF
00:42:07 YOU KNOW IT'S MY OPINION IS THAT THE DOGS ARE OFFERED OR
00:42:18 THE HEARING OFFICER ORDERS THE DOG TO DO MORE TRAINING.
00:42:22 SOMETIMES THAT'S PHYSICALLY AVAILABLE TO THE PERSON,
00:42:25 SOMETIMES IT'S NOT FINANCIALLY OR SOMETIMES IT'S NOT.
00:42:29 BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW DOGS ARE A PRODUCT OF
00:42:34 THEIR ENVIRONMENT AND AND THE PERSON THEY'RE WITH
00:42:37 AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT EXACTLY AN IDEAL POSITION THEY'RE
00:42:40 IN AND WE MAKE DO WITH WHAT WE GOT.
00:42:44 >> SO AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION FROM THE METRICS PERSPECTIVE IS
00:42:48 IT SO YOU'RE SAYING THIS WAS PAUSE BEFORE AND 2024 DID YOU
00:42:52 SEE AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF REPORTED INCIDENTS DURING
00:42:57 THE CORRELATION BETWEEN HAVING HEARINGS IN PLACE AND THE
00:43:00 INCIDENTS STILL HAPPENING IMPLYING WHETHER HEARINGS ARE
00:43:04 AN EFFECTIVE MODE OF ACCOUNTABILITY IN THIS CONTEXT
00:43:08 AS WELL AND THE TIMES THAT WE'VE HAD THE GAP IN SERVICE OF
00:43:11 HEARINGS NOW AND BEFORE, DID YOU SEE ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE
00:43:13 NUMBER OF REPORTED CRIME INCIDENTS IN THIS CONTEXT I'VE
00:43:16 SEEN AN INCREASE IN DOG BITES REPORTED TO ME OVER THE LAST
00:43:20 COUPLE OF YEARS BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANY REFLECTION ON
00:43:26 THE FACT THAT WE'RE HAVING HEARINGS OR NOT HAVING HEARINGS
00:43:30 . IT'S MY OPINION AND IT'S ONLY
00:43:31 MY IT'S MY KIND OF THEORY ON THIS IS THAT DURING COVID A LOT
00:43:34 OF PERSONS IN THE CITY GOT A DOG AND BECAUSE OF THE NATURE
00:43:38 OF COVID AND WE WERE CONFINED SOME OF THOSE DOGS DIDN'T
00:43:42 WEREN'T ABLE TO SOCIALIZE PROPERLY AND SO I THINK
00:43:46 PERSONALLY THAT WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN DOG BITES BECAUSE
00:43:50 WE'VE SEEN MORE DOGS GO HOME AND BE ISOLATED AND THEREFORE,
00:43:54 YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THE AGGRESSION COMES OUT.
00:43:57 >> I UNDERSTOOD. >> SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR
00:44:01 SERVICE. MY PLEASURE.
00:44:05 OFFICER SUTHERLAND THANK YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR
00:44:08 YOU BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE
00:44:10 AND TAKING THIS ON AND I DID HEAR YOU SAY THAT IF DOGGY
00:44:13 COURSES WERE AVAILABLE YOU'D TAKE THEM.
00:44:15 >> SO ABSOLUTELY YEAH, I'LL THROW THAT OUT TO THE AUDIENCE
00:44:17 I GUESS SALLY STEVENS IS THINKING THANK THANK YOU.
00:44:23 SALLY STEVENS IS HERE WITH US TODAY FROM S.F. DOG.
00:44:26 >> I'D LOVE TO CALL YOU UP TO SAY A FEW WORDS FOR US BUT ALSO
00:44:34 BEFORE YOU SAY THAT SAN FRANCISCO DOG OWNERS GROUP DOES
00:44:38 HAVE DOG THERE WE GO. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
00:44:42 THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING THIS.
00:44:43 THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP TO OUR ATTENTION AND FOR YOUR
00:44:46 CONTINUED ADVOCACY SO PLEASE SELL IT.
00:44:49 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS SALLY STEVENS
00:44:53 AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE SAME SCHOOL DOG OWNERS GROUP AS IF
00:44:57 DOG ADVOCATES FOR RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERSHIP AND OFFERING
00:44:58 RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR DOGS THAT ARE UNDER CONTROL.
00:45:01 WE'VE SUPPORTED THE VICIOUS AND DANGEROUS DOG HEARING
00:45:04 PROCESS SINCE ITS INCEPTION. >> TWO POLICE OFFICERS SERGEANT
00:45:08 BILL HERNDON AND OFFICER JOHN DENNY BASICALLY CREATED THE
00:45:09 VICIOUS AND DANGEROUS DOG PROCESS.
00:45:12 >> THE MODEL THEY CREATED EMPHASIZED LOOKING FOR
00:45:13 SOLUTIONS TAILORED TO SPECIFIC INCIDENTS RATHER THAN A ONE
00:45:17 SIZE FITS ALL PUNISHMENT WHICH IS THE NORM IN MOST
00:45:20 COMMUNITIES. >> PEOPLE CAME FROM ALL OVER TO
00:45:22 STUDY HOW SAN FRANCISCO DEALT WITH BITES AND OUR DOG COURT
00:45:25 PROCESS BECAME A MODEL FOR HOW CITIES CAN DEAL WITH PROBLEM
00:45:28 DOGS AS CHAIRS AS AS CHAIRS OF S.F. DOG.
00:45:31 I'M OFTEN CONTACTED BY PEOPLE ABOUT DOG BITES.
00:45:35 SOME DON'T WANT TO GET A DOG OR A NEIGHBOR IN TROUBLE.
00:45:39 OTHERS WERE TERRIFIED THEIR DOG WOULD BE EUTHANIZED.
00:45:41 I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO REPORT BITES BECAUSE THE DOG
00:45:44 COURT PROCESS IN SAN FRANCISCO WAS FAIR.
00:45:47 THE INVESTIGATIVE OFFICER WOULD LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT
00:45:50 MIGHT HAVE CAUSED OR CONTRIBUTED TO THE INCIDENT.
00:45:52 THE HEARING OFFICERS DECISIONS COULD RANGE FROM REQUIRING THE
00:45:55 OWNER TO COMPLETE A DOG TRAINING CLASS OR CRYING THE
00:45:56 DOG BE MUZZLED IN PUBLIC OR EVEN FIXING A BROKEN FENCE OR A
00:46:00 DOG CAN'T GET LOOSE. I REASSURED OWNERS THAT ONLY
00:46:03 IN THE MOST EXTREME RARE CASES WOULD EUTHANASIA BE WARRANTED.
00:46:06 I TOLD PEOPLE THEY COULD TRUST THE SYSTEM.
00:46:09 DOG COURT WORKED WELL FOR A DECADE OR SO.
00:46:13 THEN SERGEANT HAYDEN HERNDON RETIRED AND AFTER GOING THROUGH
00:46:15 SEVERAL HEARING OFFICERS AND AMID SOME CONFUSION AS TO
00:46:18 WHICH DEPARTMENT SHOULD CONTROL THE PROCESS, THE CITY DECIDED
00:46:21 TO MAKE THE HEARING OFFICER AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR IN 2014.
00:46:25 I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE THAT INTERVIEWED ALL THE CANDIDATES
00:46:28 FOR THAT FIRST CONTRACTOR JOB AND TWO YEARS LATER WHEN THE
00:46:32 POSITION RENEWED, THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR ACCEPTED OUR
00:46:33 RECOMMENDED PATIENTS. >> BOTH TIMES THE HEARING
00:46:36 OFFICER REALLY DOES HAVE TO UNDERSTAND DOG BEHAVIOR TO MAKE
00:46:40 FAIR DECISIONS. EMOTIONS RUN HIGH DURING
00:46:41 HEARINGS AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE HEARING OFFICER KEEP
00:46:44 UP TO DATE WITH THE LATEST RESEARCH INTO DOG BEHAVIOR
00:46:47 AND BEST PRACTICES TO SIFT THROUGH THE EMOTION AND FIND
00:46:50 THE CORE OF WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO
00:46:52 KEEP IT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN. REQUIRING CONTINUING EDUCATION
00:46:55 FOR THE HEARING OFFICER CAN HELP ENSURE THE COMMUNITY CAN
00:46:58 FULLY TRUST THE PROCESS AND TRUST THEIR DECISIONS.
00:47:01 I URGE THE BOARD AND THE MAYOR TO COMMIT TO SUFFICIENT
00:47:02 DEDICATED FUNDING AND STAFFING FOR THE VICIOUS AND DANGEROUS
00:47:06 DOG INVESTIGATIVE UNIT AND HEARING OFFICER.
00:47:09 A FUNCTIONING HEARING PROCESS PROTECTS BOTH PUBLIC SAFETY
00:47:10 AND ANIMAL WELFARE. IT CAN RESOLVE SERIOUS
00:47:13 SITUATIONS BEFORE THEY ESCALATE FURTHER.
00:47:17 >> THE GOAL IS A FAIR OUTCOME FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED OWNERS,
00:47:18 VICTIMS, NEIGHBORS AND THE DOGS THEMSELVES.
00:47:22 >> S.F. DOG FULLY SUPPORTS SUPERVISOR CHERYL'S EFFORTS TO
00:47:25 RESPONSIBLY RESTART THE VICIOUS AND DANGEROUS DOG HEARING
00:47:29 PROCESS AND RESTORE THIS IMPORTANT PUBLIC SERVICE.
00:47:32 WE KNOW THIS VISION DANGEROUS DOG PROCESS WORKS AND WORKS
00:47:34 WELL. LET'S GIVE IT THE SUPPORT IT
00:47:37 NEEDS TO DO THE JOB. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE
00:47:38 CHANCE TO SAY THIS SALLY THANK YOU.
00:47:41 >> I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. YOU REALLY HELPED INFORM THIS
00:47:45 WHOLE PROCESS AND I WOULD SAY YES TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
00:47:48 SUPERVISOR MAHMOOD VICE CHAIR MAHMOOD EXCUSE ME.
00:47:52 ANY QUESTIONS FOR SALLY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
00:47:55 >> GREAT. I'D LOVE TO ASK VIRGINIA
00:47:59 DONAHUE, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL.
00:48:02 >> DO YOU MIND IF WE ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT ANIMAL CARE
00:48:06 AND CONTROL'S ROLE IN THIS HEARING PROCESS?
00:48:10 THANK YOU. VICE CHAIRMAN HOON, I KNOW YOU
00:48:11 HAD A FEW QUESTIONS BUT I'M HAPPY TO START OFF UNLESS YOU'D
00:48:14 PREFER TO. >> GREAT.
00:48:15 SO I WANT TO JUST GO BACK INTO HISTORY A LITTLE BIT.
00:48:21 WHEN WAS THE BDD HEARING PROCESS CREATED AND WHAT ROLE
00:48:26 DID CQC HAVE IN THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO IS A FINE ANSWER.
00:48:33 >> THE HEARING PROCESS STARTED IN THE 90S.
00:48:36 WE DON'T HAVE ANY EMPLOYEES WHO GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE
00:48:40 BEGINNING BUT ASK IS PART IN THE PROCESS HAS ALWAYS BEEN
00:48:46 ARE THE SOURCE OF THE DATABASE WE ACTUALLY KEEP TRACK OF THE
00:48:51 DOG BITES. WE KEEP TRACK OF THE DOGS
00:48:52 IN THE CITY SO WE ATTEND ALL THE HEARINGS.
00:48:58 IF WE HAVE PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE DOG WE WILL OFFER AN
00:49:03 OPINION TO THE HEARING OFFICER. ONCE THE HEARING OFFICER MAKES
00:49:04 A DECISION WE IMPLEMENT THE DECISION FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE
00:49:10 HEARING OFFICER DEEMS A DOG VICIOUS AND DANGEROUS THERE'S A
00:49:11 WHOLE REGISTRY PROCESS FOR THAT DOG.
00:49:17 DOES HCC OFFER TRAINING IN DOG BEHAVIOR FOR FOR HEARING
00:49:21 OFFICERS OR FOR THE INVESTIGATORS?
00:49:24 WE HAVE PROVIDED DOG BEHAVIOR TRAINING TO ALL OF THE HEARING
00:49:29 OFFICERS. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF GREG HAS
00:49:33 COME. HE PROBABLY HAS IN HIS
00:49:34 FORGOTTEN THAT HE WAS THERE. >> HE'S NOT HE'S NODDING YES.
00:49:37 NODDING. YOU WERE THERE.
00:49:38 HE'S NODDING. YEAH.
00:49:40 >> YEAH. BECAUSE WE HAVE CERTIFIED
00:49:41 BEHAVIORISTS ON STAFF AND THEY'VE DEVELOPED THE
00:49:44 TRAINING AND THEY YOU KNOW, ALSO EXPLAIN THE BITE SCALE
00:49:48 THAT GREG WAS TALKING ABOUT BASED ON IAN DUNBAR'S RESEARCH.
00:49:52 SO OUR TEAM IS VERY SCIENCE ORIENTED AND PRESENTS ALL THE
00:49:59 LATEST SCIENCE TO THE HEARING OFFICER BECAUSE DOG TRAINING IS
00:50:03 AN UNREGULATED FIELD. THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF MYTHS
00:50:06 IN DOG TRAINING AND SO OUR TEAM DOES THE BEST THEY CAN TO
00:50:10 COMMUNICATE THE CURRENT SCIENCE TO THE PROFESSIONALS INVOLVED
00:50:14 SO THEY GET A CERTIFICATION AFTER THAT.
00:50:15 >> IS THERE A CERTIFICATION FOR THIS TRAINING?
00:50:18 NO, THERE'S A CERTIFICATION TO BECOME A DOG TRAINER TRAINER
00:50:21 THERE ARE SEVERAL CERTIFICATIONS BUT AGAIN IT'S
00:50:25 AN UNREGULATED FIELD. SO WE EMPLOY PEOPLE WHO'VE GOT
00:50:28 CERTIFICATIONS AND THEY SUMMARIZE THEIR KNOWLEDGE
00:50:33 AND GIVE IT TO THE HEARING OFFICERS AND OTHER PEOPLE
00:50:38 WORKING IN THIS. THE TRAINING IS ALL ORIENTED TO
00:50:41 BECOMING A PROFESSIONAL DOG TRAINER AND IMPLEMENT EATING
00:50:45 SOLUTIONS FOR THE DOG. >> IT'S IT'S A PRETTY DETAILED
00:50:49 YEAH LOOK IS THIS TRAINING MANDATED FOR ALL HEARING
00:50:53 OFFICERS I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW BUT WE HAVE GIVEN
00:50:56 IT I DON'T THINK IT'S MANDATED BUT WE'VE GIVEN IT TO EVERY
00:51:00 HEARING OFFICER AND THE HEARING OFFICERS GENERALLY WANT THE
00:51:02 TRAINING AND THE INFORMATION. >> GOT IT.
00:51:05 WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF IT WAS MANDATED IN SOME FORM IN THE
00:51:08 HEALTH CODE? >> AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD
00:51:09 MATTER. I MEAN WE YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE
00:51:12 RIGHT HEARING OFFICER. THEY WANT THE INFORMATION.
00:51:14 >> OKAY, LOOK IT YOU KNOW WE'VE HEARD A LOT FROM CONSTITUENTS
00:51:22 MEDIA ABOUT THESE HEARING PROCESSES.
00:51:24 WE HEAR A LOT OF MISCONCEPTIONS .
00:51:27 DO YOU SEE ANY COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE
00:51:28 HEARING PROCESS OR ABOUT DOG BITES IN THE CITY THAT YOU
00:51:32 THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT?
00:51:34 >> SURE. IN TERMS OF IN TERMS OF DOG
00:51:39 BITES THERE IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN THERE IS I CAN TELL A
00:51:42 REPORTING PROBLEM. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT
00:51:45 EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN A BITE REPORTS THE BITE YOU KNOW THE
00:51:50 THE DOCTOR THE VETERINARIAN, THE OWNER OF THE BITING DOG,
00:51:54 THE VICTIM. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO GET
00:51:58 THIS INFORMATION ON THE RECORD BECAUSE I HAVE ALL THIS DATA ON
00:52:01 HOW MANY BITES ARE REPORTED. BUT I, I, I AM VERY SURE THAT'S
00:52:05 NOT ALL OF THE BITES THAT HAPPEN.
00:52:09 YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE THE DELTA IS THERE BUT I'M SURE
00:52:12 WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL OF THEM TOO.
00:52:16 IF YOUR DOG BITES SOMEBODY YOU ARE LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO GIVE
00:52:20 THE VICTIM YOUR INFORMATION THAT THAT'S THAT'S NOT AN
00:52:24 OPTION. WE WISH MORE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD
00:52:27 THAT IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS, I THINK PEOPLE ARE VERY NERVOUS
00:52:32 THAT AUTOMATICALLY THEIR DOGS WILL BE EUTHANIZED AND THAT
00:52:35 REALLY DOES NOT HAPPEN VERY OFTEN.
00:52:39 IT'S NOT A TERRIBLY COMMON OUTCOME.
00:52:42 >> DO YOU MIND QUANTIFYING NOT VERY OFTEN EVEN EVEN A BALLPARK
00:52:46 30%. 10%?
00:52:49 >> OH, I WOULD SAY IT'S WELL UNDER 10%.
00:52:51 YEAH. OKAY.
00:52:54 THAT'S A REALLY GOOD COMMON MISCONCEPTION TO TO POKE UP
00:52:58 AND I THINK THAT GETS ME TO MY LAST ONE.
00:52:59 YOU KNOW A LOT OF TIMES SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD ARE LIKE
00:53:02 OH MY GOD, WE DON'T NEED TO BE PUTTING DOWN DOGS.
00:53:05 >> THIS IS YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT PUNISH DOGS HERE.
00:53:06 IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS JUST AS MUCH ABOUT OWNERS IF NOT MORE
00:53:10 SO THAN THAN DOGS NECESSARILY. >> OH, IT'S VERY MUCH ABOUT
00:53:14 OWNERS. I MEAN YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR
00:53:15 YOUR DOG. YEAH, MOST MOST OF THE TIME
00:53:20 IT'S A IT'S A LOT CAN CONTROL ON THE PERSON'S PART AND IT'S
00:53:23 PROBABLY ALSO IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THOUGH THAT IF A DOG
00:53:30 DOES BITE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR AN ORGANIZATION LIKE OURS TO
00:53:35 FIND A DIFFERENT HOME FOR THAT DOG.
00:53:38 >> SO THIS IS A PROBLEM PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO DEAL WITH
00:53:42 PROACTIVELY. I'M SORRY WHEN YOU SAY THANK
00:53:43 YOU WHEN YOU SAY IMPOSSIBLE DO YOU MEAN LEGALLY IMPOSSIBLE OR
00:53:46 JUST LIKE OPERATIONALLY THAT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING YOU SET UP
00:53:50 TO DO UNDER CALIFORNIA STATE LAW WE HAVE TO IF WE'RE
00:53:56 ADOPTING OUT AN ANIMAL WHO'S BITTEN, WE HAVE TO DISCLOSE
00:54:00 THAT INFORMATION AND IMAGINE YOU'RE GOING TO A SHELTER TO
00:54:04 ADOPT A DOG. >> GOT IT.
00:54:05 FUNCTIONALLY IMPOSSIBLE. NOBODY'S GOING TO ADOPT THE
00:54:08 BITER IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING VERY VERY SELDOM.
00:54:11 YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. OKAY THANK YOU.
00:54:12 APPRECIATE THAT VICE-CHAIRMAN POUND ON THAT POINT ABOUT HOW
00:54:16 DO WE ADDRESS KIND OF THE PREVENTION COMPONENT OF IT SAME
00:54:23 QUESTION ACTUALLY BACK TO THE OTHER THAT EARLIER REPEAT
00:54:27 OFFENDERS DO YOU SEE CHANGES THAT YOU SHOULD BE MAKING GIVEN
00:54:34 THE 30% OF THE DOGS THAT ARE GOING TO THE HEARINGS ARE
00:54:37 REPEAT OFFENDERS? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT
00:54:38 DOESN'T CONTINUE TO HAPPEN? >> I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S SO
00:54:42 IMPORTANT WE HAVE THIS PROCESS BECAUSE DURING THIS PERIOD OF
00:54:45 TIME WHEN WE HAVEN'T HAD VICIOUS AND DANGEROUS DOG
00:54:49 CAUGHT, WE GET A REPEAT OFFENDER SO WE KNOW IT'S A
00:54:53 PROBLEM BUT THE DOG IS LEGALLY THE PROPERTY YOU KNOW IT'S IT'S
00:54:57 PROPERTY. I CANNOT TAKE YOUR PROPERTY
00:54:58 AWAY FROM YOU UNLESS I CAN SAY THAT IT'S A IT'S A PUBLIC
00:55:05 SAFETY EMERGENCY BED. THE STANDARDS AROUND THAT ARE
00:55:10 SUPER GRAY. SO I THINK THE THE THE VICIOUS
00:55:13 AND DANGEROUS HEARING COURT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
00:55:17 SO THEN WE HAVE A HEARING OFFICER WHO CAN NEUTRALLY SAY
00:55:21 YES, THIS DOG IS A PROBLEM WITH THE COMMUNITY.
00:55:24 WE'VE TRIED X OR Y, YOU KNOW, NO IT'S TIME BECAUSE WE DO HAVE
00:55:29 THOSE DOGS IN THE COMMUNITY SAID THE LAST QUESTION HOW DO
00:55:32 WE A LOT OF THIS IS TREATING THE SYMPTOM BUT HOW DO WE FROM
00:55:37 YOUR PERSPECTIVE FUNDAMENTALLY TREAT THE PROBLEM?
00:55:40 I'M SORRY A LOT OF THIS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS TREATING
00:55:41 THE SYMPTOM THE DOG IS ALREADY A PROBLEM.
00:55:47 HOW IN YOUR OPINION WHAT IS THE ROLE OF ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL
00:55:51 IN PREVENTING THIS FROM HAPPENING OR DO YOU SEE A ROLE
00:55:52 TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING IN THE FIRST PLACE?
00:55:55 >> I, I WISH I COULD WAVE A MAGIC WAND AND AND PREVENT ALL
00:55:59 DOG BITES. I DON'T THINK WE I DON'T THINK
00:56:06 WE CAN DO THAT. >> WE CERTAINLY STRESS
00:56:07 EDUCATION. WE CERTAINLY HAVE INFORMATION
00:56:11 ON OUR WEBSITE. I KNOW THERE ARE LOTS OF
00:56:15 ORGANIZATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT OFFER DOG TRAINING
00:56:18 AND OFFER SUPPORT TO DOG OWNERS .
00:56:21 MORE EMPHASIS ON THAT OF COURSE WOULD BE GREAT IN IN OUR BUDGET
00:56:26 TIMES I DON'T SEE OUR DEPARTMENT EXPANDING INTO THAT
00:56:29 AREA AT THIS TIME BUT I AGREE IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT.
00:56:33 >> IT'S ANOTHER DEPARTMENT THAT SHOULD TAKE ON A COLLABORATIVE
00:56:37 RESPONSIBILITY ON OWNERSHIP OF THIS PROBLEM.
00:56:40 >> OH NO, I DON'T THINK SO. I MEAN I THINK IT I THINK IT
00:56:42 RESTS WITH US. BUT LIKE EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT
00:56:45 IN THE CITY, WE'RE SHRINKING. >> SO I'M SAYING IT'S TOUGH.
00:56:48 THANK YOU FOR HELPING HERE AS WELL.
00:56:49 THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:56:55 >> FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL WHO HAVE PRESENTED VICE CHAIR
00:56:59 MAHMUD I THINK I'M AN OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND CLARK
00:57:02 CAN WE OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
00:57:06 >> YES. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH
00:57:07 TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM SHALL LINE UP NOW ALONGSIDE BY THE
00:57:10 WINDOWS. >> ALL SPEAKERS WILL HAVE TWO
00:57:11 MINUTES OR TWO MINUTES. OKAY.
00:57:17 ALL RIGHT. I'M READY.
00:57:20 THANK YOU TO BOTH OF YOU SUPERVISORS.
00:57:22 YOU KIND OF KNOW YOUR STUFF HERE.
00:57:25 I'M IMPRESSED BY IT. I KNOW IT BACKWARDS
00:57:26 AND FORWARDS AND I'M GOING TO START OFF WITH THIS IF SEC REP
00:57:29 SHE DELIBERATELY MISLED AND OMITTED SOME IMPORTANT
00:57:33 INFORMATION TO LET YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW SHE'S COME APPEARANCE
00:57:36 SAID IT'S THE LAW THAT THE BITING OWNER HAS TO GIVE THEIR
00:57:40 CONTACT INFO JUST LIKE YOU WERE IN A CAR ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING
00:57:43 THAT CONTACT INFO FOR LEGAL PURPOSES AND SO FORTH.
00:57:48 NOW SFA CC COLLECTS THAT INFORMATION AT TIMES AND IN MY
00:57:52 CASE THEY DID AND I ASKED THEM TO DISCLOSE IT.
00:57:56 THEY REFUSED. I TOOK THEM TO THE SUNSHINE
00:57:59 ORDINANCE TASK FORCE SEVERAL TIMES.
00:58:00 IT'S STILL PENDING. THERE ARE MANY HEARINGS ON IT.
00:58:03 THEY SAY I NEED A SUBPOENA. SO SHE CAME UP HERE AND GAVE
00:58:07 YOU A FALSE REPRESENTATION. >> HOW IT REALLY WORKS WITH
00:58:11 THEM HOW A VICTIM LIKE MYSELF CAN GET THIS INFORMATION SO
00:58:14 THEY CAN TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THE PEOPLE THAT BIT
00:58:19 THEM. THE OWNER.
00:58:21 OKAY. SO THAT'S REALLY BAD.
00:58:25 SECONDLY, LET'S BE CLEAR THAT THE OFFICE THE HEARING OFFICER
00:58:28 WAS A VERY EXPERIENCED WOMAN BUT SHE LEFT THAT DEPARTMENT
00:58:33 OVER THERE AT THE DPA UNDER SOME SERIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES THAT
00:58:39 WERE NOT DISCUSSED HERE. SO REPLACING HER AND PUTTING
00:58:43 HER BACK UNDER THAT OFFICE WITH A NEW PERSON MIGHT ENCOUNTER
00:58:47 THE SAME SORTS OF PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING BUT
00:58:49 THEY'RE SERIOUS. I WISH I HAD ONE MORE IF
00:58:52 THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA THAT WOULD LIKE ME TO
00:58:55 INFORM FURTHER SO EVERYBODY CAN KNOW THE PUBLIC WOULD BE HAPPY
00:58:58 TO DO THAT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:59:02 THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE.
00:59:09 >> GOOD AFTERNOON SUPERVISORS. >> MY NAME IS MICHAEL ANGELO
00:59:13 TAURUS AND FOR ID PURPOSES EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR THE
00:59:17 FURTHER EXCUSE ME ON THE CHAIR OF THIS SAN FRANCISCO ANIMAL
00:59:20 COMMISSION AND I JUST WANT TO KIND OF REITERATE OUR CONFIRM
00:59:24 WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID BEFORE THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT MANY
00:59:28 OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE ASKING ABOUT AND I LOOK FORWARD
00:59:30 TO IT SEEING IT RESUME SOMETIME SOON.
00:59:33 >> SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
00:59:36 NEXT SPEAKER SO GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
00:59:43 >> I ACTUALLY HAD A PRETTY CLEAN STATEMENT BUT NOW A
00:59:47 HODGEPODGE OF NOTES THAT I WROTE ON IT.
00:59:48 >> SO SORRY IF IT'S GOING TO BE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
00:59:52 UM SORRY IT'S MY DOG AND HE KNOWS THAT I'M NERVOUS SERVICE
00:59:55 DOG SO SIT DOWN PLEASE. >> THAT'S GREAT.
00:59:59 I'M OKAY. UM, SO, UM, MY NAME IS ARTIE
01:00:03 SOLEIMANI. THIS IS CHARLIE, MY SERVICE DOG
01:00:04 . >> AND, UM, UM, OBVIOUSLY HE'S
01:00:09 HANDLING IT BETTER THAN I'M DOING.
01:00:13 UM, BACK IN MARCH OF 2023, HE WAS SERIOUSLY INJURED IN AN
01:00:17 UNPROVOKED ATTACK INSIDE OF THE ENCLOSED GOLDEN GATE DOG PARK
01:00:23 WHILE HE WAS WITH HIS WALKING UM, ALMOST TEN WALKERS TRIED TO
01:00:27 SEPARATE THE DOGS AND THEY HAD A HARD TIME TO DO THAT.
01:00:31 HIS CALL PRETTY MUCH SAVED HIS LIFE BECAUSE IT'S A VERY SPIKED
01:00:35 AFTER THE FIRST ATTACK THAT WE HAD I THOUGHT THE COLOR SPIKED
01:00:39 SO HE COULDN'T KILL HIM BUT THEN THE WHOLE RIGHT SIDE OF
01:00:43 HIS MOUTH AND OUR LIPS AND ALL THAT WAS JUST TORN OUT ANYWAY,
01:00:46 SO I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING IS SEPARATE THAN
01:00:50 YOU KNOW, ME GOING THROUGH MY CASE OTHERWISE TELL ME ABOUT IT
01:00:54 LIKE IT'S EMOTIONAL. >> I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH IT.
01:00:55 UM, THE ATTACK REQUIRED AN EMERGENCY SURGERY WHICH WAS
01:00:58 PRETTY BAD OBVIOUSLY COSTLY EMOTIONALLY TAXING OF BOTH OF
01:01:02 US AND THE ATTACK HAPPENED WAS A BY AN ON NEUTERED PIT BULL
01:01:09 WHICH IS ILLEGAL IN SAN FRANCISCO AND THE FRIEND OF THE
01:01:13 OWNER ACTUALLY GAVE HIS CONTACT INFORMATION TO THE WALKERS.
01:01:17 HE ALSO SAID THAT HIS DOG WAS A SERVICE DOG AND UM UM BUT I
01:01:24 TEXTED THE GUY ACTUALLY CALLED HIM AND I TEXTED HIM.
01:01:28 >> SO THIS IS A NOTE THAT I'M JUST TAKING ABOUT THE CONTACT
01:01:29 INFORMATION WHEN I SAID THAT I NEED YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION
01:01:33 SO WE CAN FOLLOW UP HE SAID WELL I'M NOT GOING TO SHARE
01:01:36 THAT WITH YOU BECAUSE YOUR DOG ATTACKED MINE.
01:01:40 >> AND I SAID THERE ARE WITNESSES AND YOU KNOW THE
01:01:41 LEGAL PROCESS WE CAN GO THROUGH IT SORRY AM I GOING OVER YOU?
01:01:44 >> ARE WE'RE ALLOCATING TWO MINUTES PER SPEAKER FOR THIS
01:01:50 ITEM. >> IF YOU HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN
01:01:51 WE CAN ACCEPT THE WRITTEN. OKAY I'LL SAY ANYTHING ALSO.
01:01:54 >> THANK YOU. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU.
01:01:55 THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS
01:01:59 SEEING SO NOPE SORRY. >> TWO MINUTES FOR EVERYBODY.
01:02:05 I GUESS I SHOULD LET THE CLERK SAY THAT BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR
01:02:10 BEING HERE. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT WITH
01:02:11 THAT PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED. IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, THANK ALL
01:02:16 OF YOU FOR BEING HERE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN
01:02:20 GET PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE CIVIL SERVANTS WHO WORKING
01:02:23 INCREDIBLY HARD. THANK YOU ALL FOR FOR BEING
01:02:27 HERE. >> I'M VERY GRATEFUL TO THE
01:02:30 MAYOR'S OFFICE FOR BEING HERE ABOUT THE THE SOLUTION THAT
01:02:34 SEEMS TO BE COMING IN THE COMING WEEKS.
01:02:35 >> IT COULD BE THE COMING DAYS WOULD BE GREAT BUT I THINK WE
01:02:38 UNDERSTAND I THINK THE BIGGEST THING FOR US IN UNDERSTANDING
01:02:42 WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST WHERE BASICALLY THE HEARING OFFICER
01:02:46 DIDN'T HAVE A REAL HOME, DIDN'T HAVE A REAL HOME IN TERMS OF A
01:02:52 BUDGET LINE ITEM AND A FUNDING SOURCE.
01:02:53 IT SEEMS LIKE THAT HAS HAS BEEN SOLVED OBVIOUSLY WITH THE
01:02:57 UPCOMING BUDGET I HOPE TO KIND OF CRYSTALLIZE THAT A LITTLE
01:03:02 BIT BETTER BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK I FEEL COMFORTABLE
01:03:06 SPEAKING FOR THE TWO OF US SITTING HERE THAT WE REALLY
01:03:08 DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS HAPPEN AGAIN.
01:03:11 SO FOR WHOMEVER IS GOING TO TAKE ON THE HEARING OFFICER
01:03:14 ROLE, THANK YOU. I GUESS PLEASE SAY YES BUT
01:03:18 THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE VERY MUCH.
01:03:23 >> AND WITH THAT I MOVE TO FILE THIS HEARING.
01:03:26 MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
01:03:31 >> YES. AND ON THE MOTION TO FILE THIS
01:03:34 HEARING FISCHER MAHMOOD FISCHER MOOD I CHERYL I CHAIR CHERYL I
01:03:41 HAVE TWO EYES. >> THANK YOU.
01:03:42 THE MOTION PASSES. MADAM CLERK CAN YOU CALL ITEM
01:03:46 NUMBER THREE OR SORRY. EXCUSE ME.
01:03:49 ITEMS NUMBER THREE THROUGH IS IT NINE?
01:03:56 >> YES. 339.
01:03:57 YES. ITEMS THREE THROUGH NINE ARE
01:04:00 THREE ORDINANCES AND FOUR RESOLUTIONS AUTHORIZE
01:04:04 AND APPROVING SETTLEMENT OF LAWSUITS AND ON LITIGATED
01:04:05 CLAIMS AGAINST THE CITY COLLEAGUES DO WE HAVE ANY
01:04:12 QUESTIONS SEEING NO QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO SEND THESE
01:04:19 TO THE FULL BOARD WITH POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
01:04:23 MR. CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CALL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR I'M
01:04:24 SORRY FOR THESE ITEMS? YES.
01:04:27 COULD YOU PLEASE CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
01:04:28 THANK YOU. YES.
01:04:29 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEMS
01:04:32 THREE THROUGH NINE SHOULD LINE UP THEY ALL ALONG THE SIDE BY
01:04:35 THE WINDOWS ALL SPEAKERS WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES SEEING NO
01:04:38 SPEAKERS PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED MADAM CLERK I'D LIKE TO
01:04:42 MOVE TO SEND THIS TO THE FULL BOARD WITH POSITIVE
01:04:45 RECOMMENDATION. >> YES I'M ON THE MOTION TO
01:04:46 FORWARD ITEMS THREE THROUGH NINE TO THE FULL BOARD PART AS
01:04:50 WITH THE POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION VICE MAHMOOD
01:04:53 FISCHER MAHMUD I CHAIR CHERYL I CHAIR CHERYL I HAVE TWO EYES.
01:04:57 >> MOTION PASSES MADAM CLERK DO WE HAVE ANY MORE ITEMS THAT
01:05:04 COMPLETES OUR MEETING AGENDA MEETING IS ADJOURNED